Central Coast Section Football Scoreboard

[Streak One]

Division I

#8 Half Moon Bay at #1 Serra SATURDAY

#5 Wilcox beat #4 Menlo-Atherton 42-35

#2 Valley Christian beat #7 St. Francis 25-3

#6 Mitty at #3 St. Ignatius SATURDAY


Division II

#1 Los Gatos beat #8 Live Oak 41-7

#5 Bellarmine at #4 Sacred Heart Prep SATURDAY

#7 Oak Grove beat #2 Salinas 26-20

#6 Palo Alto beat #3 Palma 27-20


Division III

#1 King’s Academy beat #8 San Mateo 42-14

#4 Aptos beat #5 San Benito 26-20

#2 Terra Nova beat #7 Seaside 35-9

#6 Burlingame at #3 Mountain View SATURDAY


Division IV

#1 Milpitas beat #8 Overfelt 24-14

#4 Hillsdale beat #5 Soquel 10-0

#2 Branham beat #7 Monte Vista Christian 40-13

#3 Carmel beat #6 Saratoga 62-43


Division V

#1 Leland beat #8 Mt. Pleasant 21-14

#4 Homestead beat #5 Mills 34-22

#2 Santa Cruz beat #7 Pacific Grove 37-14

#6 Santa Teresa beat #3 Alisal 41-14

 

[FormerD1Backer]

Division I

#8 Half Moon Bay at #1 Serra SATURDAY

#5 Wilcox beat #4 Menlo-Atherton 42-35

#2 Valley Christian beat #7 St. Francis 25-3

#6 Mitty at #3 St. Ignatius SATURDAY


Division II

#1 Los Gatos beat #8 Live Oak 41-7

#5 Bellarmine at #4 Sacred Heart Prep SATURDAY

#7 Oak Grove beat #2 Salinas 26-20

#6 Palo Alto beat #3 Palma 27-20


Division III

#1 King’s Academy beat #8 San Mateo 42-14

#4 Aptos beat #5 San Benito 26-20

#2 Terra Nova beat #7 Seaside 35-9

#6 Burlingame at #3 Mountain View SATURDAY


Division IV

#1 Milpitas beat #8 Overfelt 24-14

#4 Hillsdale beat #5 Soquel 10-0

#2 Branham beat #7 Monte Vista Christian 40-13

#3 Carmel beat #6 Saratoga 62-43


Division V

#1 Leland beat #8 Mt. Pleasant 21-14

#4 Homestead beat #5 Mills 34-22

#2 Santa Cruz beat #7 Pacific Grove 37-14

#6 Santa Teresa beat #3 Alisal 41-14

Surprised with the Milpitas- Overfelt score. Much closer than anyone suspected I think?

 

[MC415]

Milpitas is extremely down this year

 

[Cal 14]

Everyone was going nuts about the Trojans being in such a low division, but this result should be a clear indication that the placement was correct.

 

[carmelkyd]

First round 2018 - 5 upsets. 828 points scored by the winners and 281 points scored by the losing teams. 547 point differential.

First round 2019 - 4 upsets. 650 points scored by the winner and 300 points scored by the losing teams. 350 point differential.

New format seems to be working assuming a goal was to reduce the number of blow-out scores.

 

[WM483]

First round 2018 - 5 upsets. 828 points scored by the winners and 281 points scored by the losing teams. 547 point differential.

First round 2019 - 4 upsets. 650 points scored by the winner and 300 points scored by the losing teams. 350 point differential.

New format seems to be working assuming a goal was to reduce the number of blow-out scores.

I bet if you asked the 2018 Oak Grove, Christopher, Leland and Aragon teams and coaches they would agree with you as well. Those four "lucky" teams lost by a combined score of 169-34 in Round 1 of last years CCS Open / WCAL Jamboree. For goodness sake Aragon was 2-8 overall. No system will ever be perfect and I know the CCS has a WCAL football problem but I think this years system was an improvement.

 

[aztecpadre]

What are the expert predictions for this weeks games?

 

[BigBallerBrand]

Everyone was going nuts about the Trojans being in such a low division, but this result should be a clear indication that the placement was correct.

Wow, they really nailed it! Letting a D1 public with OVER 3,000 STUDENTS play down against a 1,400 student public. What a joke. Why are we rewarding these large schools for sucking? On the other side the powers-at-be screwed Half Moon Bay and ruined a great season by forcing a 1,000 student public play Serra. This is criminal. HMB should get to play against schools its size and make a run at a state bowl game. Such BS!!!

 

[Cal 14]

We could probably solve the state's drought issue with all the tears on this board.

 

[LeeCorso1234]

Wow, they really nailed it! Letting a D1 public with OVER 3,000 STUDENTS play down against a 1,400 student public. What a joke. Why are we rewarding these large schools for sucking? On the other side the powers-at-be screwed Half Moon Bay and ruined a great season by forcing a 1,000 student public play Serra. This is criminal. HMB should get to play against schools its size and make a run at a state bowl game. Such BS!!!

Rider

Wow, they really nailed it! Letting a D1 public with OVER 3,000 STUDENTS play down against a 1,400 student public. What a joke. Why are we rewarding these large schools for sucking? On the other side the powers-at-be screwed Half Moon Bay and ruined a great season by forcing a 1,000 student public play Serra. This is criminal. HMB should get to play against schools its size and make a run at a state bowl game. Such BS!!!

I could not agree with you more Big Baller. That blue collar program got screwed. I can assure you they were one of the hardest working, well coached schools in the section. Too bad CCS won’t get represented by top tier small public at state. Instead we will get an underperforming Large school who doesn’t lift weights and do all the right teams winning D5 and going on to play some good LA school.

 

[ds1968]

Wow, they really nailed it! Letting a D1 public with OVER 3,000 STUDENTS play down against a 1,400 student public. What a joke. Why are we rewarding these large schools for sucking? On the other side the powers-at-be screwed Half Moon Bay and ruined a great season by forcing a 1,000 student public play Serra. This is criminal. HMB should get to play against schools its size and make a run at a state bowl game. Such BS!!!

Yes I completely understand that this playoff system affected top ranked teams from non-WCAL leagues. But we have had enrollment based division playoffs for a long time in the past that seemed to spread out WCAL teams out to many divisions and not a lot of schools were in favor in that. That’s one reason among the many why for the change this year from enrollment to competitive based playoffs. There is no perfect system. But I like the less blowout score games.

 

[ds1968]

Rider

I could not agree with you more Big Baller. That blue collar program got screwed. I can assure you they were one of the hardest working, well coached schools in the section. Too bad CCS won’t get represented by top tier small public at state. Instead we will get an underperforming Large school who doesn’t lift weights and do all the right teams winning D5 and going on to play some good LA school.

You are right to say that the top tier small publics will not get represented at state. The CCS committees is showing us at this time that sending best teams to state is not a priority. They want to focus on this section’s needs, which is a competitive balance playoffs. Maybe after a few years, a new group of committee members will decide to change it.

 

[BigBallerBrand]

Yes I completely understand that this playoff system affected top ranked teams from non-WCAL leagues. But we have had enrollment based division playoffs for a long time in the past that seemed to spread out WCAL teams out to many divisions and not a lot of schools were in favor in that. That’s one reason among the many why for the change this year from enrollment to competitive based playoffs. There is no perfect system. But I like the less blowout score games.

It's easy. The public schools play in divisions based on enrollment (teams can opt up) and the private schools get placed in divisions on a case-by-case basis. Valley Christian is a small school but everybody knows they should only play in D1. Marin Catholic and Newman should probably be D2 every year. I really don't think it would be that hard to figure out. Roster size, player size and common sense.

 

[BigBallerBrand]

Yes I completely understand that this playoff system affected top ranked teams from non-WCAL leagues. But we have had enrollment based division playoffs for a long time in the past that seemed to spread out WCAL teams out to many divisions and not a lot of schools were in favor in that. That’s one reason among the many why for the change this year from enrollment to competitive based playoffs. There is no perfect system. But I like the less blowout score games.

Like Serra beating HMB 41-16...a D3/4 public school that was 10-0 & having a historic season???

 

[ds1968]

Like Serra beating HMB 41-16...a D3/4 public school that was 10-0 & having a historic season???

Yes you are right, hmb got the short end of the stick. The ccs committee has placed more emphasis on competitive value then enrollment based in this section. Ccs is not concerned with sending best teams to state. Not the perfect system. Maybe when committee members change, they can take a look at your suggestion. In the mean time, maybe they can tweak point values. But I hear you.

 

[SpeedCity51]

Rider

I could not agree with you more Big Baller. That blue collar program got screwed. I can assure you they were one of the hardest working, well coached schools in the section. Too bad CCS won’t get represented by top tier small public at state. Instead we will get an underperforming Large school who doesn’t lift weights and do all the right teams winning D5 and going on to play some good LA school.

Milpitas is not “blue collar”? And how do you know Overfelt “worked harder”? Did you spend your summer and fall alternating between attending practices for both teams?

 

[FormerD1Backer]

Milpitas is not “blue collar”? And how do you know Overfelt “worked harder”? Did you spend your summer and fall alternating between attending practices for both teams?

Milpitas has to get out of their bracket before we can continue this argument. As has been stated there is no perfect system when competitive equity is a major influence. And while we argue this, let’s recall SHP running the CCS table when nobody gave them a chance, yet still being denied a State Bowl game. There will never be a system that metes out “fairness” both in section and for the State playoffs.

 

[Breen1234]

There is no perfect playoff system but changing it regularly is not the answer. The majority of the country use enrollment as the gauge but we have the WCAL. Private schools have to many advantages to be considered equally to large public or small. IMG academy is under 1000 enrollment but their commitment to being a power is unlimited. Some private schools are more committed to athletics than others but all have more opportunity than public schools. Better paid coaches, facilities and recruitment just to name a few. Look to the top of High School Football in California and it is all PRIVATE. It is time for PRIVATE playoffs and PUBLIC playoffs. Sports should always be played on equal playing ground and private/public is not.

 

[SpeedCity51]

Milpitas has to get out of their bracket before we can continue this argument. As has been stated there is no perfect system when competitive equity is a major influence. And while we argue this, let’s recall SHP running the CCS table when nobody gave them a chance, yet still being denied a State Bowl game. There will never be a system that metes out “fairness” both in section and for the State playoffs.

I’m not really making any argument about wether Milpitas “should” or “shouldn’t” be in the bracket, just think it’s silly to assume Overfelt players work harder because they have fewer students.

 

[SpeedCity51]

There is no perfect playoff system but changing it regularly is not the answer. The majority of the country use enrollment as the gauge but we have the WCAL. Private schools have to many advantages to be considered equally to large public or small. IMG academy is under 1000 enrollment but their commitment to being a power is unlimited. Some private schools are more committed to athletics than others but all have more opportunity than public schools. Better paid coaches, facilities and recruitment just to name a few. Look to the top of High School Football in California and it is all PRIVATE. It is time for PRIVATE playoffs and PUBLIC playoffs. Sports should always be played on equal playing ground and private/public is not.

Whatever. This system has lead to less blowouts, that’s about the best you can ask for. It’s not like kicking out the privates and just going off enrollment is going to solve everything; we just swap out WCAL blowouts for watching the Evergreen Valleys, Silver Creeks, and Cupertinos get beat down by Salinas’s and Menlo-Athertons.

 

[colhenrylives]

Right. There is no perfect system. But here's one notion that might be considered: In CCS Division I, a B league or C league team cannot be part of the mix. A C league team would not accumulate enough CCS points anyway. But HMB, a PAL B division team, did, albeit barely.

 

[SpeedCity51]

Right. There is no perfect system. But here's one notion that might be considered: In CCS Division I, a B league or C league team cannot be part of the mix. A C league team would not accumulate enough CCS points anyway. But HMB, a PAL B division team, did, albeit barely.

I think the current system is about the best we can ask for, but I agree the main issue with it is the one you’re bringing up. I think smallish schools should be “protected” from the top division, unless they want to roll the dice and opt in. I’m not sure what the enrollment cutoff should be, but there should be one.

 

[carmelkyd]

Who would want to opt in? Winner of D2 gets to go to Nor Cal game. Otherwise I agree that B league teams...even ones who in hindsight should have been in an A league that year...should not play in D1. And I would limit the changes to this one point. Otherwise the next step will be that A league teams cannot play in D4 or D5. And that would be taking the format changes too far.

 

[FormerD1Backer]

I’m not really making any argument about wether Milpitas “should” or “shouldn’t” be in the bracket, just think it’s silly to assume Overfelt players work harder because they have fewer students.

I agree.

 

[SpeedCity51]

Who would want to opt in? Winner of D2 gets to go to Nor Cal game. Otherwise I agree that B league teams...even ones who in hindsight should have been in an A league that year...should not play in D1. And I would limit the changes to this one point. Otherwise the next step will be that A league teams cannot play in D4 or D5. And that would be taking the format changes too far.

Not sure why you care so much that there is no option for teams to opt in. Weird thing to take an issue with. Also I’m not talking about protecting teams based on enrollment, not league classification.

 

[Streak One]

CCS has the toughest time of all the NorCal sections in creating a playoff system because of the WCAL. NCS has its issues with De La Salle and smaller privates who are very good, but those aren't the gorilla that the WCAL is in the CCS.

Second, should the playoffs be set up for the best product for the section or to create the best lineup to send to NorCal? Those are two very different objectives.

 

[Cal 14]

CCS has the toughest time of all the NorCal sections in creating a playoff system because of the WCAL. NCS has its issues with De La Salle and smaller privates who are very good, but those aren't the gorilla that the WCAL is in the CCS.

Second, should the playoffs be set up for the best product for the section or to create the best lineup to send to NorCal? Those are two very different objectives.

No matter what system is created, people will still b!+@# and moan. Put all of the WCAL teams in one division: "Oh, we aren't sending our best teams!" Spread all of the WCAL teams out: "Oh, why do we have to face the WCAL teams?"

The bottom line is that the B and C teams already have an easier path to the playoffs by virtue of playing in weaker leagues. To me, that's where the coddling needs to stop. Any struggles that B #1 or #2 teams have with 5th place A teams only demonstrates why there are A and B leagues.

 

[LeeCorso1234]

No matter what system is created, people will still b!+@# and moan. Put all of the WCAL teams in one division: "Oh, we aren't sending our best teams!" Spread all of the WCAL teams out: "Oh, why do we have to face the WCAL teams?"

The bottom line is that the B and C teams already have an easier path to the playoffs by virtue of playing in weaker leagues. To me, that's where the coddling needs to stop. Any struggles that B #1 or #2 teams have with 5th place A teams only demonstrates why there are A and B leagues.

Best of Both Worlds

D1-Top 4 WCAL(VC,Serra,SI,Mitty). Deanza, MHAL, GAB. PAL Champs
D-2-D5 Enrollment/Power Points

 

[Coachceaz21]

Anyone making predictions on the next round of games? I suspect the first round of playoffs would have been better with equity and less lopsided wins.

 

[SpeedCity51]

Best of Both Worlds

D1-Top 4 WCAL(VC,Serra,SI,Mitty). Deanza, MHAL, GAB. PAL Champs
D-2-D5 Enrollment/Power Points

You realize that was basically what the older opt up system was with the Open, Large, Medium, Small divisions... right? They are not bringing that system back.

 

[LeeCorso1234]

You realize that was basically what the older opt up system was with the Open, Large, Medium, Small divisions... right? They are not bringing that system back.

2/4 lower divisions would have the 5th/6th place WCAL. Those teams might not win say a D2. Would of nice to see a HMB win D4. Teams with the talent/Program of MA, Milpitas, Wilcox, (Most years) should be able to compete. I remember a time when a coach at either Pioneer or Leland left it up to the kids and they wanted the big boys.

 

[WM483]

CCS has the toughest time of all the NorCal sections in creating a playoff system because of the WCAL. NCS has its issues with De La Salle and smaller privates who are very good, but those aren't the gorilla that the WCAL is in the CCS.

Second, should the playoffs be set up for the best product for the section or to create the best lineup to send to NorCal? Those are two very different objectives.

IMO, the current point system used by the CCS is all about section success for its teams first and state second. I don't think this will change anytime soon. This current system is backed by the CCS board including one very influential Coach/AD/ Board Member.

 

[SpeedCity51]

2/4 lower divisions would have the 5th/6th place WCAL. Those teams might not win say a D2. Would of nice to see a HMB win D4. Teams with the talent/Program of MA, Milpitas, Wilcox, (Most years) should be able to compete. I remember a time when a coach at either Pioneer or Leland left it up to the kids and they wanted the big boys.

Ok... but like I said, you are literally just proposing the old system. There is zero chance they decide to just go back to that.

 

[FBAddict]

It's easy. The public schools play in divisions based on enrollment (teams can opt up) and the private schools get placed in divisions on a case-by-case basis. Valley Christian is a small school but everybody knows they should only play in D1. Marin Catholic and Newman should probably be D2 every year. I really don't think it would be that hard to figure out. Roster size, player size and common sense.

Not that hard when you only consider 3 schools in two sections... now compare all 90+ teams in CCS. Did HMB deserve to be down in D4? Maybe by size but certainly not by strength. Don't want the equity system? Fine, then why insist certain schools use the equity system - ie VC.

 

[Cal 14]

I think the current system is about the best we can ask for, but I agree the main issue with it is the one you’re bringing up. I think smallish schools should be “protected” from the top division, unless they want to roll the dice and opt in. I’m not sure what the enrollment cutoff should be, but there should be one.

So, if Carmel would have run the table in the Gabilan, they shouldn't be potentially forced into D-I? While that scenario may or may not sound far-fetched, Half Moon Bay winning the PAL-Bay Division probably isn't.

As for what happened this year, the only adjustment I would potentially be ok with is perhaps with ties. HMB, Los Gatos, and Salinas were all tied in terms of playoff points. Ok, then maybe we should use the following tie-breaker:

1. Head-to-head
2. Common opponent(s)
3. A-league champ
4. A-league team
5. B-league champ
6. B-league team
7. C-league champ
8. Calpreps rating

This would also have to be applied to seeding, too. That means that if we're looking at a 4/5 seed comparison, the A-league team would always get the home game over a B.

 

[Coachceaz21]

Not that hard when you only consider 3 schools in two sections... now compare all 90+ teams in CCS. Did HMB deserve to be down in D4? Maybe by size but certainly not by strength. Don't want the equity system? Fine, then why insist certain schools use the equity system - ie VC.

I 100% agree with you, people forget that demographics have changed in certain areas, HMB is absolutely a low D1-high to mid level D2 type of school in terms of strength I mean they are top 150 in the state for a reason, but by size of course not, but that doesn't mean they should go down to D4 or D5 and run the table either.

 

[Coachceaz21]

So, if Carmel would have run the table in the Gabilan, they shouldn't be potentially forced into D-I? While that scenario may or may not sound far-fetched, Half Moon Bay winning the PAL-Bay Division probably isn't.

As for what happened this year, the only adjustment I would potentially be ok with is perhaps with ties. HMB, Los Gatos, and Salinas were all tied in terms of playoff points. Ok, then maybe we should use the following tie-breaker:

1. Head-to-head
2. Common opponent(s)
3. A-league champ
4. A-league team
5. B-league champ
6. B-league team
7. C-league champ
8. Calpreps rating

This would also have to be applied to seeding, too. That means that if we're looking at a 4/5 seed comparison, the A-league team would always get the home game over a B.

So in this instance Los Gatos would get pushed up based on them being a A league team then?

 

[SpeedCity51]

So, if Carmel would have run the table in the Gabilan, they shouldn't be potentially forced into D-I? While that scenario may or may not sound far-fetched, Half Moon Bay winning the PAL-Bay Division probably isn't.

As for what happened this year, the only adjustment I would potentially be ok with is perhaps with ties. HMB, Los Gatos, and Salinas were all tied in terms of playoff points. Ok, then maybe we should use the following tie-breaker:

1. Head-to-head
2. Common opponent(s)
3. A-league champ
4. A-league team
5. B-league champ
6. B-league team
7. C-league champ
8. Calpreps rating

This would also have to be applied to seeding, too. That means that if we're looking at a 4/5 seed comparison, the A-league team would always get the home game over a B.

I think a small school should have the option of playing in D1, and if they don’t want to then the next highest rated team goes to D1 and the small school goes to D2.

If you disagree, whatever man. Not really a big deal, we can have different opinions.

 

[Cal 14]

So in this instance Los Gatos would get pushed up based on them being a A league team then?

No, it would have been Salinas as an A League champ. Los Gatos would have remained as the #1 seed in D-II. HMB would have been the #2 seed in D-II.

 

[PhotoGuy_271]

Right, know this is a CCS fourm but it's the same all over like putting McClymonds 300+ kids most of them girls from D4 to D1 as CalHi has them projected playing Serra. At least bump them to D3 not D1 and notdone like HMB.