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What a farce.Note that the competitive equity model that will apply to basketball has placed Carondelet in NorCal D4 volleyball this year, and top seed Presentation has a record well below .500.
What a farce.
Carondelet in D4 ensure them a place in Open these and future. They will win D4 NCS like SMB and Salesian did back. They took turns for many years.
Carondelet in D4 ensure them a place in Open these and future. They will win D4 NCS like SMB and Salesian did back. They took turns for many years.
Carondelet will be D1 in NCS and most likely Open in NorCals. The real shift, though, is for D5 schools like East Side Prep and Pinewood, which will also be either D1 or Open in NorCals.
Clay,
Not sure Carondelet has the horses, chemistry, bench, etc... to make it to the Norcal open again anytime soon. Especially based on the non league schedule this season. First off, they will need to remain healthy, as the depth they enjoyed the past few seasons is no longer the luxury. Personally I like the tougher schedule. Perhaps now the goal will be as it should have been all along. And that is to work to become a much better and more confident team by March. Instead of the same team they start off as in November. The tougher schedule won't allow them to mask how much they are improving or lack there of because 30 point league victories won't happen as often. And it might force the team to create a more balanced and unselfish attack. Which will make it much harder to game plan and shut down the 1 or 2 players that typically take most of the shots. And it will help the offense continue to excel when those 1 or 2 players get injured, get in foul trouble, have an off night, or simply get shut down. Getting more players involved in their scoring might be taking a page out of the successful teams playbook. I think that unselfish balanced attack and better ball movement is what separated Mitty and Clovis West from Carondelet last season. Carondelet had enough talent last season to compete with anyone. However "imho"the bar and expectations was just set a bit low as they got satisfied and a false sense of how good they were when winning 30 point blow outs in league play. And they relied on what worked in league instead of building confident players across the board. And preparing and improving for the post season. A tougher schedule will force them to get better and more players involved in the offense or fall into a 500 win percentage team. Hopefully they will play unselfish all out hustle team ball, and pull off a few surprises. May all Norcal teams remain healthy and have a fun and rewarding season.
Great point Paytc, but what they have going against them is history. They've been an open team since it's inception and there's a good shot they'll be D1 NCS champs again. Unless they get knocked out of the semifinals in D1, they're probably gonna be a lock for open, or is this year the year it all changes across the NorCal seedings? I thought it was next year...gulp!
One interesting aspect seems to be that most Open-potential teams have upgraded their schedules, and are playing more teams at their level in the past. The reason might be that before the new system, teams were hoping they wouldn't go Open and would drop down to the lower divisions, and wanted a good record so they could get a top seed in case they did drop down.
But now, there's no point in amassing a good record against bad teams, because the committee has shown it recognizes such maneuvers, and the top 24 teams are all going to be Open or D1. So Plan B is to play a ton of good teams and hope to have enough losses to be number 25 and the top seed in D2, or alternately beat those good teams and earn a good seed in D1.
The Open, of course, looks like a two-team race between Mitty and SMS with Pinewood hovering right behind, but D1 will be wide-open and very, very competitive. (As will D2 and on down, for that matter -- no more will any team coast through NorCals ...)
The issue for the committee this year is making sure to dig into schedules, and realizing that a team with nine losses against Mitty, SMS, O'Dowd, and other quality opponents is a lot better than a team with three losses that played no one.
I'm not sure how much politics goes into the CIF committee rankings on girls' basketball. Now with football and boys' basketball, maybe, but not that many people care that much about girls' basketball, so I don't know if any pressure is applied (and for that matter, I don't know how it would be applied, even for football).
But as long as CIF awards banners for state championships and not for participation in the Open, and as long as players and coaches are honored for winning state championships in their communities and by the media and not for Open participation, there will be an incentive to stay out of the Open. I think that's especially true this year given the fact that Mitty and SMS are in the top ten nationally, and no other NorCal team is even close to being considered for the top 25.
In a big game, realistically, what are the odds of a team pulling off a Pinewood-like upset in NorCals? The chance is there, of course, but a win would involve a lot of luck to go along with skill, and I think most people would rather not rely on luck to achieve success.
And lets remember that Pinewood didn't go on to win the NorCal open.. So like Clay stated, despite it being the most memorable game of that bracket, Pinewood went home with no banner to hang..In a big game, realistically, what are the odds of a team pulling off a Pinewood-like upset in NorCals? The chance is there, of course, but a win would involve a lot of luck to go along with skill, and I think most people would rather not rely on luck to achieve success.
Some private schools are elite; most are not -- so putting all the privates together doesn't make sense.
What is the issue with having one state champion? (besides decreased revenues)
At the very least they should not call division 2-5 "State Champions".
The teams that have legitimate complaints were the division 4 or 5 schools competing East Side Prep/Pinewood, etc pre-open. Those teams are still going to be heavy underdogs. Winning division 5 "State Title" this season means that you were the 61st best team in northern California.
A pre-open division state title meant something. You were the best school with a similar enrollment. Whether you were the best team in the state was another conversation. Now we know teams below division 1 are not remotely close to being considered the best team in the state.
If you are not ELITE, a california state championship is not for you.
One State. One Champion.
What is the issue with having one state champion? (besides decreased revenues)
At the very least they should not call division 2-5 "State Champions".
The teams that have legitimate complaints were the division 4 or 5 schools competing East Side Prep/Pinewood, etc pre-open. Those teams are still going to be heavy underdogs. Winning division 5 "State Title" this season means that you were the 61st best team in northern California.
A pre-open division state title meant something. You were the best school with a similar enrollment. Whether you were the best team in the state was another conversation. Now we know teams below division 1 are not remotely close to being considered the best team in the state.
If you are not ELITE, a california state championship is not for you.
One State. One Champion.
A pre-open division state title meant something. You were the best school with a similar enrollment. Whether you were the best team in the state was another conversation. Now we know teams below division 1 are not remotely close to being considered the best team in the state.
If you are not ELITE, a california state championship is not for you.
That is very true too.. didn't just happen in D4, but there was definitely some "ducking" in the guise of moving up a division back then. And maybe that was an issue argued for the change.. maybe these things aren't as fresh in my memory as I tell myself..There were teams opting out of D4 to stay away from Campo
I would agree an upset is possible, but luck cannot be discounted in any game, or anything in life. In that particular game, Pinewood shot 50% from three-point distance, and of course Pinewood and everyone else would like to do that every game -- but they don't, because some nights the shots drop and some nights they don't. No one, not even Steph Curry, can control that, and if you want to call it something else aside from luck, that's fine, but it's still a random factor out of everyone's control. And that game was played at Delta College, not SMS -- what if Delta College had had a home game that night, and the game was at SMS? That's another factor out of anyone's control.
The bottom line that talent is the most important factor in winning games. It's not the only factor, and can be negated by other issues, but it would take a lot of things, some random and some not, to fall into place for the 17th best team in NorCal to somehow beat Mitty or SMS.
If I didn't play a Division I sport in college, the title at the end of the season isn't a national championship but just a championship because it wasn't D1?
Time will speak more definitely than any of us can speculate. We will have to wait and see what the future holds. My early guess is there may be a surprise or two. Who knows..... perhaps Carondelet will be a surprise team? Hard to say.... either way, it should be a fun and challenging season for them. BTW I think it was the 2014-15 season Dublin high upset Carondelet in the D2 NCS. So that was the one year Carondelet did not play in the Norcal Open. Unfortunately Presentation then upset Carondelet in the D2 playoff before Mitty could get revenge on Carondelet who beat Mitty rather easily at Carondelt that year. Mitty went on to win the D2 state championship that season.
For fans of Presentation, the word "unfortunately" is probably inappropriate.
That part I definitely agree with.Players tend to adopt the confidence and personality of their coach.
This part not so much, although each situation and ensuing motives could differ, so who knows.That is why some coaches (not to mention any names or club teams) will often blow teams out to obtain the psychological edge
why is it inappropriate? Its no secret that paytc is a C-let supporterFor fans of Presentation, the word "unfortunately" is probably inappropriate.
Probably true, but why more for girls than boys? I'm not convinced boys can't be intimidated just as easily as girls.