FBAddict said:

Is that how it has been interpreted in CCS for their powerpoints for the last 20+ years?

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My memory may get fuzzy but I know that has been the case for the AAA but I am pretty sure CCS teams took points in the past from their OAL game against the regular season champion (for the past decade+ that has been McLymonds). Bellarmine used to play them frequently in preseason and they have played various other CCS teams over the years and my recollection is that they presented it as playing a league champion and were never challenged.

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OAL and AAA teams are not awarded their league title until after their section championship game. No half point for Riordan or Saint Francis for playing Mack

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Thanks for sharing that. I know that is true for the AAA as their regular season is not over until next weekend. The OAL regular season is over. I thought historically CCS team that have played McLymonds in the past were awarded a point when McLymonds was regular season OAL champ (or Co-champ as is the case this season). I did a Quick Look up of OAL rules. It suggests there is a regular league champion based on won loss record and then the sectional champion (who can move onto regionals) is the winner of the four team play-off.

OAL 600.
OAL 602.
OAL 603.
ARTICLE VI: CHAMPIONSHIPS
LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP

1. League (OAL) Championships in badminton, basketball, football, golf, tennis, and wrestling, shall be determined by the league win/loss record.
2. In sports where leagues are combined with BACSAC, section championship playoffs will determine a champion.

OAKLAND SECTION CHAMPIONSHIP

1. The Oakland Section champion in football shall be the winner of the football playoffs between the top four teams in the league standings. See Special Regulations, Football, for the playoff format.
2. The Oakland Section champion shall be the winner of the Final Championship event

If you are correct it won't impact St. Francis' seeding they will still be the #2 but Riordan and Serra would swap the 3 and 4 seeds With Serra being #3 and Riordan being #4.

carlmerritt said:

It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc

D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.

D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.

D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.

D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.

D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.

Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…

If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.

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One tweak to your idea could be to maybe create "enrollment" categories then create the division within those. Lump D1-D3 schools in a larger schools category and smaller schools in another.

There still has to be some weight given to school size. At the end of the regular season, Monterey Trail was ranked outside the top 16. In the 17-32 spots are teams that are down in D6. They certainly are very good teams, but it just seems inherently unfair to force them to play so far above their classification when they haven't gotten there through the continued success rule.

However, I don't think the Section wants to do any of this. I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games. I also think the other sections see this as well, which is why the decision was made to pair Grant and Rocklin last year. There is no way Grant should have been in D3 and everyone knew it. The results of the game proved it.

CCSFB98 said:

OAL and AAA teams are not awarded their league title until after their section championship game. No half point for Riordan or Saint Francis for playing Mack

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Is that how it has been interpreted in CCS for their powerpoints for the last 20+ years?

parkdale said:

Somewhere Alonzo Emery is smiling.

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As is Bucky Kahler

CCS play-off projections after Saturday’s results

There are a few scores that are still not in the CalPreps system but I don’t think they will influence the seeding at this point. If they do I will come back and edit this post.

One assumption I made about the 40 teams that make up the play-off field is that the PAL will put Half Moon Bay in as a third automatic qualifier from the Ocean Division and limit the El Camino Division to one automatic berth which will keep Woodside out of the play-offs. If this is the case, Sacred Heart Prep will get the final at-large berth. If the PAL decides to have two automatic qualifiers from each of their two B Leagues then Woodside would go in. Half Moon Bay would still qualify as they would get the last at-large berth and Sacred Heart Prep would not make the field.

Open/D1

Riordan's win over St. Francis changed the top six seeds. One assumption I made that influences the seedings greatly is that St. Francis and Serra will not get a championship point for playing De La Salle as De La Salle is not eligible for the EBAL Mountain League championship. I also assumed that St. Ignatius and Soquel will receive a championship point for playing San Ramon Valley (even though De la Salle beat SRV) who is recognized as the league champion of the EBAL Mountain League. Obviously if this is managed differently in the section seeding meeting the seedings would change for the top four seeds as St. Francis and Serra would gain a point and St. Ignatius and Soquel would lose a point.

8. Salinas 8-2 66 (8) at 1. St. Ignatius 8-2 77.75 (2)

7. Valley Christian 5-5 68 (7) at 2. St. Francis 8-2 77.25 (1)

Winners of Round 1 play for open championship – loser of open championship plays winner of round two game below for D1 championship.

6. Soquel 8-2 71 (5) at 3. Riordan 6-4 72 (6)

5. Los Gatos 8-2 71.5 (4) at 4. Serra 5-5 72 (3)

D2

8. Santa Teresa 9-1 49.5* (2 in D3) at 1. Wilcox 8-2 65 (1)

5. Monterey 6-4 53 (5) at 4. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 55.5 (3)

6. Menlo School 7-3 52.5 (6) at 3. Christopher 9-1 57 (3)

7. Palma 5-5 50.5 (8) at 2. Sacred Heart Cathedral 4-6 59 (2)

* Elevated to D2 as no B league team can play in D1 or D2

D3

San Mateo’s rout over favored Burlingame pushed San Mateo up from D4 to D3 and moved Burlingame down to D4.

8. San Mateo 8-2 40 (6 in D4) at 1. Carmel 10-0 58* (1)

5. Capuchino 9-1 43.75 (7 in D2) at 4. Hollister 4-6 47 (6)

6. Half Moon Bay 8-2 43.5 (4) at 3. Palo Alto 5-5 47.5 (5)

7. Aptos 5-5 42 (1 in D4) at 2. Willow Glen 10-0 49.5 (3)

Dropped to D3 as no B league team can play in DI or D2

D4

I assumed Kings Academy gets a point for Rio Honda Prep being a league champion in a three team league (something that CCS may want to address in the off-season). Even if KA losses this point it won't impact their seeding.

8. Live Oak 3-7 27** (8) at 1. Piedmont Hills 8-2 39.5 (8 in D3)

5. North Salinas 7-3 35 (4) at 4. Burlingame 6-4 35.5 (7 in D3)

6. Kings Academy 5-5 32.75 (NR) at 3. Sacred Heart Prep 4-6 38 (2)

7. North Monterey County 7-3 31.5 (1 in D5) at 2. Branham 7-3 39 (3)

**Elevated to D4 as no A league team can be in D5 and all C league teams must be in D5.

D5

8. Gunderson 7-3 19 (8) at 1. South San Francisco 8-2 28 (7 in D4)

5. Gunn 10-0 23.5 (4) at 4. Sequoia 5-5 24.5 (2)

6. Stevenson 7-2 21.7 (6) at 3. Leland 6-3 26.5 (3)

7. Overfelt 5-5 20.5 (7) at 2. Alisal 5-5 26.5 (5)

It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc

D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.

D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.

D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.

D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.

D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.

Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…

If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.

Rocknrolus 95361 said:

That's not going to work next week! Are you making the trip up there? If not come over to the Corral

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No, I understand, not next week. As long as Downey keeps playing, I’ll be going. However, I’m sure there will be an opportunity to come to ‘The Corral’ before the season ends.

Streak One said:

*Quick note: I moved the Gunn game to the one point slot since everyone took Gunn and it was played on Thursday. It didn't have an impact on the final Top 3.

Congrats to H.E.A.T. on the weekly win. Came down to the final game of the week! Also congrats to FBAddict on the overall title, NorCalSportsFan on 2nd place and THEOC89 on 3rd place. Once scores are finalized on Monday, I will work on adding subscription time to your accounts.

For those we are interested, I'm going to keep this going for the playoffs with the weekly winner earning a free month on NorCalPreps!

Finally, thanks for everyone who participated this year! I hope everyone enjoyed it!

Serra beat Valley Christian 29-3
California beat Amador Valley 54-48
Granada beat Livermore 28-27
Wilcox beat Menlo-Atherton 30-21
Gunn beat Jefferson 28-7
Yreka beat University Prep 17-7
Vacaville beat Atwater 35-21
East Union beat Nevada Union 21-14
Liberty Ranch beat Ripon 35-0
Riordan beat St. Francis 34-24

H.E.A.T. 48
Carlmerritt 44
Norcalguy111 43
Bulldogmgc 42
EN_FB_Alum 41
Sweetjfromthebay 41
FBAddict 40
Espot 40
NorCalSportsFan 39
Relly900 39
WCAL88 39
Streak One 38
SearsPoints 37
Folsom77 37
Cal 14 37
Kiddman32 36
Dlew66 36
Macallan 36
MC415 36
Sacchiefs 36
Irish_Cheers 34
M.C. Fan 34
THEOC89 34
Bella123 30
RLS13 29

YearlyTop 10:

1. FBAddict 531
2. NorCalSportsFan 526
3. THEOC89 524
4. Kiddman32 512
5. SearsPoints 510
6. WCAL88 509
6. Bulldogmgc 509
8. Folsom77 504
9. EN_FB_Alum 500
10. Irish_Cheers 498

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Appreciate all your hard work. Finally figuring out how this works and being consistent with every week, I looked forward to participating.

Congratulations FBAddict! and THEOC89 and everyone who competed. Thanks STREAK on a really challenging Pickem.

THEOC89 said:

Since the SJS changed the way their teams is slated in the Divisions, SJS D1 has become the worst playoff Bracket in Nor Cal…..

All the best teams are in D2, pretty dumb…. Need to move to a Competitive equity format where all the best teams are in D1…. I am sure none of the schools care though because no one wants their season ended by Folsom…. 🤣

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The worst bracket in Nor Cal? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that you perhaps meant the least competitive because Folsom is so dominant. There are other very good teams in Div. I and all the best teams are not in Div. II. Oak Ridge dominated the Div.II top seed Rocklin. Inderkum, Central Catholic, and Turlock are very good teams. Div. II has no team remotely close to Folsom but St. Mary's, Grant, Rocklin and Manteca are very good and subjectively better than the non-Folsom Div. I teams, except for Oak Ridge. There are other good teams remaining in either division such as Granite Bay and Monterey Trail in Div. I and Jesuit and Rodriguez in Div. II.

Niklas227 said:

Riordan is riding high. I’m certain no one wants see them in the playoffs next week.

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Didn’t I say that would be the case a month ago?

Riordan is riding high. I’m certain no one wants see them in the playoffs next week.

Sir,

Do the Mighty Mighty Crusaders have a chance at a home playoff game according to your calculations?

rwccaptain42 said:

Combo of immaturity/ cockiness. When they have to
Take it up notch.,,,,..LookOut!!!’

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Can't argue with the immaturity and cockiness with the Crusaders early on. As noted, they are a relatively young team. Credit to Coach Ravipati and his staff in addressing the early struggles head on after that VC loss.
The Crusader D turned it up a notch going against Kingston and the SF offense. Riordan's offense has put the CCS on notice that it has a power running game to go along with Mike Mitchell's aerial show. This is the second straight week that Riordan's RBs simply ran it down SF's throats to close out the game. Soph Brown played it with class and could have scored another TD but instead just slid down to run out the clock. Does Riordan now have enough points to host a game next week?

BvalBooster said:

Awesome work! We appreciate you for keeping us informed! I'm looking at your last top 15 at large post and wondering how SHP widened their at-large bid with them losing, Carlmont winning and Sobrato Winning.



Looks like you had:

SHP at 20.5

Sobrato at 22 (my math shows 22.5, but you are the mastermind doing all of the hard work, so i trust you!)

And

Carlmont at 20



All before calpreps rankings. How are these points or maybe your top 15, looking post week 10?

Thank you again!

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I also have Sobrato at 22.5 - if I put down 22 in my post I transcribed it incorrectly. I have SHP at 21 (they picked up another 0.5 points with Kings Academy being a co-champion) and Carlmont at 20. When you do the Cal Preps points SHP gets 11 for a total of 32; Carlmont gets 10 for 30 and Sobrato gets 8 for 30.5. For Week 10 the points I put out already projected an SHP loss and a Sobrato and Carlmont win.

I put the Calprep rankings of the relevant teams below - you just don't see that big a movement in week 10 unless there is a dramatic upset. Hillsdale only beating Aragon 14-9 will likely keep them where they are or actually reduce their absolute Calprep ranking. Sobrato beating Gilroy won't move them very much either as Gilroy is such a low ranked opponent.

Teams in the At-Large pool as ranked by Calpreps

Valley Christian - 15. cal prep rating 31
Sacred Heart Cathedral - 14. CP Rating 20..3
Palma - 13. 11.9
Hollister - 12. 5.5
Sacred Heart Prep -11. 2.6
Carlmont - 10. -0.3
Hillsdale - 9. -0.4. (Week 10 result not yet in system)
Sobrato - 8. -4.5. (week 10 result not yet in system)
Woodside -7 -6.2.

2 weekly wins and couldn’t crack top 10..

H.E.A.T. said:

LETS GO RIORDAN

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Congrats @H.E.A.T. !!!

Not bad for Gary Porter, Howard Porter and Bobby Cole who built Modesto Christian Basketball circa 1997.
This season's team is full flavored, rich deep complexities, bitter, and aged well with a smooth finish on Sisk Road. Best served with an Open State Championship!! Let's Go!!! Brice and Chris have a team that is battle tested mixed with a young wave of superior talent that includes a freshman that will turn your head. Speedy Gonzales would be proud!!

Awesome work! We appreciate you for keeping us informed! I'm looking at your last top 15 at large post and wondering how SHP widened their at-large bid with them losing, Carlmont winning and Sobrato Winning.



Looks like you had:

SHP at 20.5

Sobrato at 22 (my math shows 22.5, but you are the mastermind doing all of the hard work, so i trust you!)

And

Carlmont at 20



All before calpreps rankings. How are these points or maybe your top 15, looking post week 10?

Thank you again!

ChewpaMiverga said:

The teams which would give the south (MD, Bosco or Centennial; don’t sleep on the Huskies) just based on the way their offenses are structured as De La Salle and MAYBE St. Francis. Why do I say this? Well, talent aside both utilize offenses that go right at you and rarely lose yards.

When you stop De La Salle, it’s usually for a 1 yard gain and a loss of about 30 seconds. Same can kind of be said for St. Francis.

Serra, Folsom, SRV, Pitt and SI (doesn’t even sound right mentioning them in this conversation to be honest) do not have the patience to consistently try to go right at you and wear you down. They all eventually try to get cute and those 1 yard gains by DLS and SF turn into sacks, interceptions, or 5+ yard losses.

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Very good observation… you are 100% correct