Potentials for Nor Cal Open State Game Rep
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Didn’t you just watch a Trinity League team give up 26 straight points after being up 35-0? Come on Cal teams let up when it’s outta reach.
DV is legit with 16 D1 guys on the team
SOC is the equivalent of Citrus Valley or Valencia. Those teams aren't scoring 26 on SJB.
No, but the kid didn't do anything in college. He got recruited because he was from LB Poly.
Edit above. LOL. Plenty of TX fans, however, thought DV was on par with Mater Dei, let alone SJB.
Spot on.
I’ve always contended that every season is in it’s own vacuum. It’s own space. Teams are different. Players are different. Circumstances are different.
Case in point, DLS just lost to SF and history didn’t help the Spartans players that night. The likes of DJ Williams and MJD didn’t suit up for them.
DLS‘ long storied history is as irrelevant to this season as Folsom‘s past decade is to other teams around the SJS and NorCal.
The only applicable criteria that should ever be considered is what happens THIS season.
If the Pittsburgh Steelers tie the Cincinnati Bengals for the division crown, the Steelers rich history and 6 SB titles don’t carry any weight. Tiebreakers from the current season are the ONLY factors considered.
That’s the only logical and fair thing to do.
To me, anybody arguing differently clearly has a biased and/or flawed POV.
Fully agree with both Cal 14 and ThunderRam on this point. In fact, the only bearing from year to year has nothing to do with reputation. Instead, you have coach experience that is transferred from year to year. And player experience from year to year has an impact. These factors are placed along side player talent to help predict CURRENT YEAR potential. We all know potential is not the same as real game outcomes. Only real game outcomes can and should dictate current year placement.
You are clearly biased and/or flawed in your POV. Trust me SF new who they were playing and their reputation. They just happened to be the first NorCal team in 30 years to overcome it. You can bet you ass teams have a different mindset when playing DLS then say San Ramon valley, Monterey trails, Jesuit, or yes even Folsom. I believe and I’ve heard many other say it also, in order to beat DLS you have to get past the fact you are playing DLS. Folsom has a similar reputation in their own little area. I’m am NOT a DLS fan. I am not biased. My POV may be flawed in your eyes but I’ve coached against DLS and trust me it’s different.
I agree as well, but who's getting anything based on reputation? I'm assuming this is a reference to DeLaSalle, since they have the biggest rep in NorCal. They just lost a game and people fear their reputation will just magically clear a path for them to get to the Open? They play Folsom on 10/8 and if they lose there's no way they can make the Open, even if they blow through NCS like they usually do. They are going to have to earn it on the field by beating Folsom and then winning the rest of their games plus playoffs.
I don’t believe it has. And their reputation shouldn’t matter when it comes the making the open. IMO if SF and DLS win out SF should be in the open. My comment was more about the fact that DLS’s reputation ment nothing when SF beat them. I’m just giving SF a little credit for overcoming that reputation. I believe DLS has earned every open bid they got but that It should have no bearing on this year’s open.
Their POV and your POV seem different. You are speaking of on-the-field experience of battling reputation as one of the many components and mindsets that go into a game. Cal 14 and ThunderRam are speaking of the selection process for rankings and CIF bowl placements.
It wasn't, but this is in response to:
You suggested, in isolation, that DLS should be considered if they win out. You reasoned that they have too much playoff experience (i.e., reputation) to be written off.
In isolation, DLS cannot make it to the Open. They need St. Francis and potentially other CCS teams to falter.
Not exactly, my reasoning was that despite the loss to St Francis, they still could make the Open, that DLS had enough playoff experience over the years that they could draw on to get them through the schedule they still had to navigate. Didn't say they Deserved a path to the Open. The posts following the loss to SF( a lot of them anyway) inferred DLS had no chance to make the Open because of that loss.But everything is going to be determined on the field anyway, 10/8 vs Folsom and through the playoffs. Guess I'm to blame for not making the intention of my post clear.
Hopefully by the committee it hasn’t. But over the over the 12 years I’ve been here many members have suggested that DLS should get in over <team x> because of their history. There was talk that those on the selection committee could/would be influenced for the same reason.
For example, many felt that’s why DLS got the nod over Grant Union in 2006. Then in 2008 many felt the Pacers got the nod over DLS partially due to the controversy of 2006.
Additionally it seems fairly apparent that reputation earned 2-loss St. Mary’s the nod over undefeated Casa Roble in 2008. In 2009, 2-loss DLS was awarded the Open game over undefeated Rocklin who had beaten highly Nationally ranked Grant Union. There are many other examples that can be cited, I’m sure.
The notion that reputation and history plays a factor goes beyond DLS. As Folsom could easily benefit from such preference over any non-DLS team due to their on field success over the past 11 years.
We’re simply saying that it is wrong to consider factors that aren’t directly related to the current season. It isn’t written into the criteria, but it surely happens.
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2009 Nevada Union was a far superior team THAT YEAR, than Bellarmine, but Bellarmine went bowling...just another example.
I had no idea so many teams were interested in taking the mantle for the Open. I mean we couldn't even get anyone to play DLS for the NorCal Open slot. SJB and MD battle it out for the Open and they play each other during the regular season. Wouldn't DLS and SF play each other for the NorCal Open if they both won out?
No they would not play. Because of the “Folsom Rule” SF would get the open and DLS would play for D1.
Go back and look at my scenarios. I illustrate how DLS gets to the Open and how they don't.
I thought you had been around enough on this board to understand this rule. Basically, in summary, it was SJS Section /Folsom coach (Richardson) drive to advocate the CIF to change the bowl allocations. It is documented that the Folsom coaches wanted to have the CIF select one team to go directly to the State Bowl for the Open division and all other divisions (D-1A through D7AA) to be routed to a regional bowl playoff system. The CIF made the ruling but it was called the Folsom rule because it was primarily the Folsom head coach Richardson advocating for this change. It was fairly well documented that the drive was motivated to help Folsom avoid DLS for regional Open division and instead to be paired with some team other than DLS in the regional bowl games.
PS Edited to correct Folsom Coach Richardson's name.
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Unfortunately Streak likes to sit on his hands and let Pasty run free ( probably sent him a DM telling him to be nice like he did to me) I’m all for harmless banter and bullshitting but when you start threads for no other reason to be mean asshole it time to get rid of that disease. Yes Streak it needs to be discussed out in the open.
I would be interested in that info too as I too am tired of folks saying Folsom has all these transfers when those kids have actually lived in Folsom...and it has only been a few...until MD and SJB started getting all these recruits coming in from all over (some there only for the football season) they would lose to DLS in the open
side note: I believe a lot of these kids go to MD or SJB (even if second string) because of scholarship opportunities and college recruiting...but think of the universities that come calling now at Folsom (Clemson, Alabama, OHS, Oregon, etc.) or at DLS...these same second stringers at MD or SJB could start at Folsom or DLS and probably actually help level the playing field and get probably even more recognition since they would start but yet they don’t choose Folsom or DLS...makes me wonder if there are other reasons they end up at MD or SJB
I am a facts guy. I went to see how many transfers. Folsom 19. I compared it to a school I know Oakdale 2. I am not making any point. Other than the facts!
Correct, although the Folsom coach was Kris Richardson (now at Sac St.) rather than Christianson.
That's another great example.
NU was the SJS D1 champ whose only loss was to the SJS D-2 champ Rocklin by 5 points.
Meanwhile the Bells had 1 loss and 1 tie and the loss was by 24 to St. Mary's who was barely beaten by Del Oro in the section quarterfinals who in turn lost to Rocklin twice in 2 very close games.
I've said many times that 2009 D2 was the deepest, toughest playoff field I've ever seen in the SJS. I've asserted that Rocklin, Grant Union, St. Mary's, Folsom, and Del Oro were ALL good enough to win that season. I previously never mentioned Nevada Union among that group, but that was an oversight.
While I still believe the Pacers had the best team that season, all of those teams were dangerous and capable of winning it all.
An argument can be made that 2009 was St. Mary's best ever or at least this millennium. They were better than other Rams teams that became more accomplished because they won section and/or advanced to the Regional and/or State games. They just played in a much more difficult meat grinder playoff bracket.
Same goes for 2009 Folsom, who won the very next season with essentially the same team. Del Oro that season was about as physically punishing and talented as they've ever been. Just ask Folsom.
And 2009 was easily Rocklin's best team ever. Same could be true of Nevada Union who had some really good ones before it.
NU getting bypassed for Bellarmine was a slight given the Bells blowout loss to St. Mary's and the fact that they also had a tie on record.
It's too bad the Regionals didn't exist yet because that problem would have been played out on the field.
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Agreed. But the 2008 Bellarmine team was their best team in recent memory. They beat Saint Mary’s that year.Yet they had to sit at home. Thank goodness for the regional games.
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Avoid real competition schedule maybe one opponent that can challenge you. Run up the score on everybody else. Play in SBG against a SoCal team that’s maybe top 15 program from down there. Win that game and Another message board title. Repeat process following year.
Indeed!!! Bone-headed mistake, I should have looked up his name instead of just assuming I remembered his name correctly. I will go back to edit that post.
2009 was when they " selected " Bowl game teams. Now you get a chance to play in. The year before Oakdale 1 loss. Didn't go. But Merzon being himself. Invited the selected team to the Corral. The play in is still in a real sense selected. In my opinion!
