Agreed. A great pass turns into an INT in a split second!The closing speed and athleticism of NFL LBs and DBs might be the concern. Those kids can turn "wide open" into "not open" in a hurry.
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Agreed. A great pass turns into an INT in a split second!The closing speed and athleticism of NFL LBs and DBs might be the concern. Those kids can turn "wide open" into "not open" in a hurry.
New You didn't go there? C'mon Al Bundy. Lol
YOU brought it up because you felt cornered in the argument. I have said on here multiple times. HS is fun and all. But if your hanging on to HS as the main dance and don't realize the bigger picture, you are really just a coach at Polk High with Al Bundy.
With all due respect, arm strength is about both. If you have to throw the fade, you need to get it up and throw if far. As to zip or ball speed, I would agree that it is important to be able to drive the ball to reduce the window of time the DB or LB has to close on the pass.
Remember when the 49ers passed on Aaron Rogers because of a "hitch" in his throwing motion? They thought it hurt his release and overall arm strength. Same flawed logic.
People get way too caught up in looks. Same logic allowed so many teams to pass on Tom Brady.
Spot on. It goes both ways. It's so funny to me. Either they throw too soft with too much touch or too hard. But for some reason, the NFL guys fall in love with the guys that throw rocket line drives, despite the flame out percentage.
I never said you went there or were affiliated. I simply pointed out that you brought it up. Which was random. But you did. Lol.Not a priority is put on reading comp in the foothills I see. Those quotes you posted of mine don't say or imply I went to, played for, or have any ties to DLS.
Being a QB in the NFL is all about timing. What coach you get. What team you go to. What kind of team is behind you. The system you're in. It has little to do with arm strength. I think we'd all agree QBs like Joe Montana didn't always have the best arm. That's why I think it's funny when people mention Jake not having the greatest arm. As of now, he has a better arm than many NFL QBs.What's the difference in flame out percentage between rocket arm and weak arm? Simple fact is most QB's flame out when they get to next level because again as I noted must be able to throw every route in the tree. Then if you can do that be able to digest a NFL defense and all they bring in split second. Then be able to take the beating, etc.
Being a QB in the NFL is all about timing. What coach you get. What team you go to. What kind of team is behind you. The system you're in. It has little to do with arm strength. I think we'd all agree QBs like Joe Montana didn't always have the best arm. That's why I think it's funny when people mention Jake not having the greatest arm. As of now, he has a better arm than many NFL QBs.
Will he succeed? Tough to say. But I will say the same things people are saying now, are the same things people said about him coming out of high school. He just keeps on winning. Washington isn't exactly a powerhouse. But all he does is win. That you can count on.
The holder of nearly every national HS passing record PROBABLY doesn't have a weak arm. Lol
I never said you went there or were affiliated. I simply pointed out that you brought it up. Which was random. But you did. Lol.
The whole folsom sensitivity is even more weird when you find out the guy went to piner high. Fight on prospector pete!I brought it up because of you hyper insecurity about anything Folsom.
The whole folsom sensitivity is even more weird when you find out the guy went to piner high. Fight on prospector pete!
Oh I encourage you to question. You just join everyone else who keep disappearing when he succeeds. The kid has like a winning percentage of 98 percent. Lol. He could start over most NFL backups right now even with his "suspect arm" Lol.
Norcal peeps just get all weird about his success and even Jonah Williams because they passed up a lot of "good HS players" from big HS programs, on their way to CFP primetime.
They just keep winning.......
You're back again? Lol stalker status...at least capitalize your words on the phone when you are typing lol.
Where is Pioneer? Bay Area?
Pioneer High is in the Cambrian area of west San Jose
For some reason I thought it was somewhere near Capitola? The wife and I sure love to get cocktails there!Also a Pioneer in woodland.
It was two state titles. Don't forget about 2010. That was my favorite team. My son's team!
Big now yes. Absolutely. Wasn't always that way.Either way doesn't change the fact you don't see them as a "big HS program" that pretty pathetic when you think about it.
Pioneer High is in the Cambrian area of west San Jose
The whole folsom sensitivity is even more weird when you find out the guy went to piner high. Fight on prospector pete!
Norcal peeps just get all weird about his success and even Jonah Williams because they passed up a lot of "good HS players" from big HS programs, on their way to CFP primetime.
No need for any personal. It's just HS football. This is supposed to fun. My kids had a blast in the program. I hope for all to be able to experience something like that.So it wasn't big when Jonah and Browning played there by your comment above. But they became big only last year after they left. Seems legit, Either that or its just your inferiority complex rearing it ugly head again. I tend to think it the latter if you ask me.
No need for any personal. It's just HS football. This is supposed to fun. My kids had a blast in the program. I hope for all to be able to experience something like that.
Jealousy
Peach bowl he struggled getting ball to edges as it was in air to long. His tape doesn't show great arm strength at this point.
Not sure what ya mean Eagle.....
Gotta be able to drive the ball to be sure. But you are talking about Alabama's defensive front 7 against Washington's OL. Not like you are going to get your first read a lot.
Yep which is the closest we can get to seeing him against NFL quality comp. So it's a great place to start the evaluation.
Unless you assume the WA OL is not a NFL quality OL
Really doesn't matter does it? QB's that are good get drafted early by team that aren't that good. Thus they probably don't have very good lines. That defense, and pressure was about as close to a NFL simulation as we have to evaluate him at this point. While it wasn't terrible there was clearly work that's needed, and questions are valid.
You have a good point there to be sure. I think, with elite teams, Jake is seeing the time condensed for getting the ball out. He'll just have to adjust to it.
Your handle is it for Woodrow Wilson in SF? That used to be his favorite school before CV.
You just dated yourself with that post. Wilson has been closed for years.
Really doesn't matter does it?
Yep which is the closest we can get to seeing him against NFL quality comp. So it's a great place to start the evaluation.
I will have a second helping of that! Good stuff Thunder.Yes, I believe that it does.The talent that surrounds a QB has always mattered. Furthermore, the talent gap between Alabama's lines and most other teams they play is much greater than the talent gaps between NFL teams. There is so much more parity in the NFL. Because of that, your comparison is a bit off target, IMO.
I don't believe you can get an accurate evaluation of a QB when the o-line is as overmatched as Wash. was against Bama. In the NFL, most worthwhile QB's look pretty good when they have time to throw. Conversely, most QB's look pretty bad when they don't.
I don't pretend to know for certain whether Jake Browning will succeed in the NFL or not. None of us know that. There are just too many factors that can go one way or other. One of which is going to the right team and the right system. But having said that, I feel confident in his chances. The kid has been groomed since he was 12 or 13 by a former NFL QB that knows what it takes to get there and is one of the better QB coaches around. And, most importantly, he has the necessary talent and work ethic to take the next step. While that guarantees nothing, it surely helps.
he's got just as good a shot as anyone I've seen.