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We can pretty much be assured that DLS will wind up playing either MD or SJB in the open division game.

I am intrigued to see if Folsom could match up with Central of Fresno. I think that would be a good game, considering what Central did last week to Buchanan.

Can someone clarify whether this could occur?
 
We can pretty much be assured that DLS will wind up playing either MD or SJB in the open division game.

I am intrigued to see if Folsom could match up with Central of Fresno. I think that would be a good game, considering what Central did last week to Buchanan.

Can someone clarify whether this could occur?

It would have the be the regional game. As far as the date I’m not sure but it should be on the CIF website.

Just checked max preps and it looks like Central is on a mission this year. Folsom vs Central could be a good matchup if it plays out that way.
 
Folsom dismantled Central last year 54-35 when Folsom was a team of all juniors.

Central has not hyper improved (may have improved slightly) but Folsom has hyper improved. I don't think that game is remotely close if it happens. And I hope it does.

In all fairness, I think that game will probably be better than the D1 Bowl Game when Socal throws another San Diego team to the wolves. I hope they prove me wrong.
 
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I don’t remember a dismantling. I remember Folsom beating a good Central football team. Central must have returned a lot too.

I don’t see a San Diego team making it this season. Not sure exactly how the southern section figures their open playoffs but Folsom vs Oaks would be nice if it were to play out that way. Heck Central vs Oaks would be nice.
 
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Honestly, I'm not feeling it either. The fact Buchanan had some success against DLS and Central went on to beat Buchanan is one thing but these teams played last year and Folsom is a lot better YOY. Why would the outcome change? I don't think it will be a running clock type situation but I also don't see it closer than 3 TDs. Central is a really good program. I've been impressed with what they've done but this years Folsom team is on a different level altogether.

Don't know if you anybody watched Stanford get smacked by UTAH but Central Alumni Jaylon Johnson had a 100 yard pick 6 against the cardinal. Pretty awesome player. Some good ones comet out of there.

Anybody got predictions for other games?
 
That Central team had losses and Folsom scored late twice to win. Also sending a San Diego team wasn't feeding them to the wolves cause they almost won.

Central is in line with teams that Folsom is willing to schedule in the regular season. I don't see the big deal. Can't complain that the game is small when known for hunting squirrels all the time.
 
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I didn’t catch the Stanford game but saw the score. Not surprised. Good win for Utah.
 
Honestly, I'm not feeling it either. The fact Buchanan had some success against DLS and Central went on to beat Buchanan is one thing but these teams played last year and Folsom is a lot better YOY. Why would the outcome change? I don't think it will be a running clock type situation but I also don't see it closer than 3 TDs. Central is a really good program. I've been impressed with what they've done but this years Folsom team is on a different level altogether.

Don't know if you anybody watched Stanford get smacked by UTAH but Central Alumni Jaylon Johnson had a 100 yard pick 6 against the cardinal. Pretty awesome player. Some good ones comet out of there.

Anybody got predictions for other games?
Agreed. Running clock for sure. I think Central is a good team this year as mentioned, but I agree with Larry, Folsom is on another level this year. That game will not be competitive into the second half.
 
Out of curiosity, if not Central then who?

No one. All other contenders will have had losses. It will be Fresno Central vs Folsom for the NorCal D-IAA regional game.

Also, someone mentioned Oak Christian... they’re actually D-I this year in the SS, so they cannot advance unless they win the divisional title.

After D-IAA, it gets foggy. Every contender will have at least one loss. Del Oro, Serra (yes, I have them beating St. Francis), Pittsburg/Liberty/Clayton Valley.

Del Oro and Liberty would only have one loss, but questionable schedules.

Pittsburg and Serra had excellent schedules, but multiple losses.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), the odd-man-out will likely bludgeon the CS D-II winner... again.
 
One of these teams will likely be playing Folsom in a SBG

School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1
Calabasas (CA) team preview trend Southern Marmonte 2 6-1 1-0 (t 1st) 2-0 59.7 47.1 32-19
WINS: #180 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) (20-14), #241 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (42-35), #370 Lawndale (CA) (41-20), #429 La Habra (CA) (43-27), #714 Valencia (CA) (21-20), #897 Rancho Cucamonga (CA) (42-13), LOSSES: #6 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (49-21)


2 Norco (CA) team preview trend Southern Big VIII 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 57 35.9 25-24
WINS: #178 Vista Murrieta (Murrieta, CA) (30-23), #248 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) (52-37), #548 Williams Field (Gilbert, AZ) (49-21), #624 Santiago (Corona, CA) (33-22), #897 Rancho Cucamonga (CA) (49-14), #8189 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #105 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (37-32)


3 Upland (CA) team preview trend Southern Baseline 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 3-0 51.5 30 23-27
WINS: #248 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) (35-7), #429 La Habra (CA) (24-12), #2948 Damien (La Verne, CA) (35-0), #2973 Los Osos (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) (45-23), #3695 El Diamante (Visalia, CA) (49-0), #4223 La Mirada (CA) (35-7), LOSSES: #20 Mission Viejo (CA) (41-8)


4 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) team preview trend Southern Mission 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 50.7 28.5 21-28
WINS: #210 Chaminade (West Hills, CA) (31-14), #1821 Loyola (Los Angeles, CA) (34-8), #1836 Downey (CA) (20-14), #2098 San Fernando (CA) (43-0), #4517 Charter Oak (Covina, CA) (33-3), #6330 Dorsey [Susan Miller] (Los Angeles, CA) (35-6), LOSSES: #15 Oaks Christian (Westlake Village, CA) (56-14)


5 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) team preview trend Southern Marmonte 2 6-2 1-1 (t 3rd) 1-1 49.3 37.8 39-20
WINS: #241 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-30), #601 Moorpark (CA) (34-0), #1003 Mission Hills (San Marcos, CA) (28-13), #1214 Oxnard (CA) (24-20), #1584 St. Bonaventure (Ventura, CA) (39-7), #1600 St. Francis (La Canada, CA) (35-21), LOSSES: #49 Calabasas (CA) (20-14), #283 Grace Brethren (Simi Valley, CA) (24-6)


6 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) team preview trend Southern Citrus Belt 2 4-3 1-1 (t 3rd) 2-2 46.2 42.9 34-15
WINS: #287 Heritage (Romoland, CA) (12-6), #429 La Habra (CA) (22-21), #1615 Yucaipa (CA) (51-30), #1951 Colony (Ontario, CA) (48-14), LOSSES: #79 Cajon (San Bernardino, CA) (48-38), #84 Norco (CA) (52-37), #142 Upland (CA) (35-7)


7 Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) team preview trend Southern Mission 2 5-2 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 46 31.6 27-22
WINS: #300 Serra [Junipero] (Gardena, CA) (38-7), #1521 Paraclete (Lancaster, CA) (55-7), #1821 Loyola (Los Angeles, CA) (28-7), #2098 San Fernando (CA) (56-7), #2559 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) (49-12), LOSSES: #219 St. Francis (Mountain View, CA) (23-12), #601 Moorpark (CA) (35-34)


8 Los Alamitos (CA) team preview trend Southern Sunset 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 45.3 23.3 28-22-1
WINS: #382 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (20-6), #743 Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (35-16), #2325 Carson (CA) (24-14), #3269 Fountain Valley (CA) (69-0), #5675 Newport Harbor (Newport Beach, CA) (42-7), #6925 Banning [Phineas] (Wilmington, CA) (49-13), LOSSES: #178 Vista Murrieta (Murrieta, CA) (38-35)


9 Heritage (Romoland, CA) team preview trend Southern Ivy 2 5-2 0-0 1-1 45 31.1 25-23
WINS: #79 Cajon (San Bernardino, CA) (41-36), #797 Oak Hills (Hesperia, CA) (24-7), #4063 Temescal Canyon (Lake Elsinore, CA) (28-0), #5159 Elsinore (Wildomar, CA) (35-7), #6122 Great Oak (Temecula, CA) (33-0), LOSSES: #36 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (35-16), #248 Redlands
 
Very unfortunate in the teams listed above.

The SBG will also be a running clock.

Sad that Socal will send at least 10 good teams home that could be playing in this game.

Bosco, Cen10, MV, OLU, or MV would be an exciting North vs. South bowl game, outside of the open.
 
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One of these teams will likely be playing Folsom in a SBG

School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1
Calabasas (CA) team preview trend Southern Marmonte 2 6-1 1-0 (t 1st) 2-0 59.7 47.1 32-19
WINS: #180 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) (20-14), #241 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (42-35), #370 Lawndale (CA) (41-20), #429 La Habra (CA) (43-27), #714 Valencia (CA) (21-20), #897 Rancho Cucamonga (CA) (42-13), LOSSES: #6 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (49-21)


2 Norco (CA) team preview trend Southern Big VIII 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 57 35.9 25-24
WINS: #178 Vista Murrieta (Murrieta, CA) (30-23), #248 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) (52-37), #548 Williams Field (Gilbert, AZ) (49-21), #624 Santiago (Corona, CA) (33-22), #897 Rancho Cucamonga (CA) (49-14), #8189 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #105 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (37-32)


3 Upland (CA) team preview trend Southern Baseline 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 3-0 51.5 30 23-27
WINS: #248 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) (35-7), #429 La Habra (CA) (24-12), #2948 Damien (La Verne, CA) (35-0), #2973 Los Osos (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) (45-23), #3695 El Diamante (Visalia, CA) (49-0), #4223 La Mirada (CA) (35-7), LOSSES: #20 Mission Viejo (CA) (41-8)


4 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) team preview trend Southern Mission 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 50.7 28.5 21-28
WINS: #210 Chaminade (West Hills, CA) (31-14), #1821 Loyola (Los Angeles, CA) (34-8), #1836 Downey (CA) (20-14), #2098 San Fernando (CA) (43-0), #4517 Charter Oak (Covina, CA) (33-3), #6330 Dorsey [Susan Miller] (Los Angeles, CA) (35-6), LOSSES: #15 Oaks Christian (Westlake Village, CA) (56-14)


5 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) team preview trend Southern Marmonte 2 6-2 1-1 (t 3rd) 1-1 49.3 37.8 39-20
WINS: #241 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-30), #601 Moorpark (CA) (34-0), #1003 Mission Hills (San Marcos, CA) (28-13), #1214 Oxnard (CA) (24-20), #1584 St. Bonaventure (Ventura, CA) (39-7), #1600 St. Francis (La Canada, CA) (35-21), LOSSES: #49 Calabasas (CA) (20-14), #283 Grace Brethren (Simi Valley, CA) (24-6)


6 Redlands East Valley (Redlands, CA) team preview trend Southern Citrus Belt 2 4-3 1-1 (t 3rd) 2-2 46.2 42.9 34-15
WINS: #287 Heritage (Romoland, CA) (12-6), #429 La Habra (CA) (22-21), #1615 Yucaipa (CA) (51-30), #1951 Colony (Ontario, CA) (48-14), LOSSES: #79 Cajon (San Bernardino, CA) (48-38), #84 Norco (CA) (52-37), #142 Upland (CA) (35-7)


7 Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) team preview trend Southern Mission 2 5-2 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 46 31.6 27-22
WINS: #300 Serra [Junipero] (Gardena, CA) (38-7), #1521 Paraclete (Lancaster, CA) (55-7), #1821 Loyola (Los Angeles, CA) (28-7), #2098 San Fernando (CA) (56-7), #2559 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) (49-12), LOSSES: #219 St. Francis (Mountain View, CA) (23-12), #601 Moorpark (CA) (35-34)


8 Los Alamitos (CA) team preview trend Southern Sunset 2 6-1 2-0 (t 1st) 1-0 45.3 23.3 28-22-1
WINS: #382 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (20-6), #743 Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (35-16), #2325 Carson (CA) (24-14), #3269 Fountain Valley (CA) (69-0), #5675 Newport Harbor (Newport Beach, CA) (42-7), #6925 Banning [Phineas] (Wilmington, CA) (49-13), LOSSES: #178 Vista Murrieta (Murrieta, CA) (38-35)


9 Heritage (Romoland, CA) team preview trend Southern Ivy 2 5-2 0-0 1-1 45 31.1 25-23
WINS: #79 Cajon (San Bernardino, CA) (41-36), #797 Oak Hills (Hesperia, CA) (24-7), #4063 Temescal Canyon (Lake Elsinore, CA) (28-0), #5159 Elsinore (Wildomar, CA) (35-7), #6122 Great Oak (Temecula, CA) (33-0), LOSSES: #36 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (35-16), #248 Redlands

Narbonne?
 
Folsom dismantled Central last year 54-35 when Folsom was a team of all juniors.

Central has not hyper improved (may have improved slightly) but Folsom has hyper improved. I don't think that game is remotely close if it happens. And I hope it does.

In all fairness, I think that game will probably be better than the D1 Bowl Game when Socal throws another San Diego team to the wolves. I hope they prove me wrong.
First of all, Folsom didn't dismantled anything last year. Those young man from "west" Fresno that suited up for Central do not fear Folsom in anyway whatsoever. Believe that. Fyi, those kids are Edison Tiger babies. Those that know anything about west Fresno knows exactly what I'm talking about here. The only team in the Sacramento region that can match the athletic talent in west Fresno is Grant. Tbth, most on this board brought up Central's superior physicality, speed and athleticism when the two teams played last year. Let's make one thing clear. Folsom won because they out schemed Central not because they had more talent or better athletes across the board. Yes, Central lost a lot from last years team in regards to experience and senior leadership but they'll never lose in the heart department and they'll always be more physical and athletic than Folsom. Bank that!

Honestly, I'm not feeling it either. The fact Buchanan had some success against DLS and Central went on to beat Buchanan is one thing but these teams played last year and Folsom is a lot better YOY. Why would the outcome change? I don't think it will be a running clock type situation but I also don't see it closer than 3 TDs. Central is a really good program. I've been impressed with what they've done but this years Folsom team is on a different level altogether.

Don't know if you anybody watched Stanford get smacked by UTAH but Central Alumni Jaylon Johnson had a 100 yard pick 6 against the cardinal. Pretty awesome player. Some good ones comet out of there.

Anybody got predictions for other games?
You could be right but don't underestimate Central's superior speed, athleticism and physical talent. All to say, that's why we play the game. Grant vs LBP "2008".

Agreed. Running clock for sure. I think Central is a good team this year as mentioned, but I agree with Larry, Folsom is on another level this year. That game will not be competitive into the second half.
Personally knowing the athletic talent that come out of west Fresno and the not so much talent that come from Folsom I have the credentials to say you're trip'n. Take away the Reno Express and Central owns Folsom and you know it. Richardson's wicked offensive schemes in which he's developed over the years wouldn't help Folsom against Central if there were no Reno Express. Just imagine if Central's every year talent had Richardson wicked offensive schemes at their disposal. They'll be a Div-1 State Championship program and a yearly National power. Facts.
 
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First of all, Folsom didn't dismantled anything last year.
I disagree. 54-35 on a neutral field against a team of all juniors, against a senior heavy Central quad is dismantling. It will be much worse if they play this year.

Those young man from "west" Fresno that suited up for Central do not fear Folsom in anyway whatsoever. Believe that. Fyi, those kids are Edison Tiger babies. Those that know anything about west Fresno knows exactly what I'm talking about here. The only team in the Sacramento region that can match the athletic talent in west Fresno is Grant. Tbth, most on this board brought up Central's superior physicality, speed and athleticism when the two teams played last year. Let's make one thing clear. Folsom won because they out schemed Central not because they had more talent or better athletes across the board.
That all sounds great and all. But not one Folsom fan cares about West Fresno or these elite athletes that are likely to get beat by 3 scores and possibly running clocked. The only thing that matters is the score. With that said, Folsom's skill position players, all around athletes, and stellar line play is what separates them from all other Folsom teams. A team like Central just doesn't have the guns. You may not like that answer, but it will reign true come the regional game IF Central makes it there. I hope they do.

Personally knowing the athletic talent that come out of west Fresno
Again, not sure what the point is here considering this game is likely not be be remotely close. Last year's 54-35 drubbing will look like a great game when Folsom could possibly put 54 up in the first half.
 
That Central team had losses and Folsom scored late twice to win.
54-35 no matter how you spin it. Choosing who scored and when as an excuse doesn't change the final score (i.e. Folsom vs. DLS this year)

Also sending a San Diego team wasn't feeding them to the wolves cause they almost won.
Folsom is 2-0 against San Diego teams in the state bowl games. I am sure you, just as everyone else, doesn't want to see this again. While Folsom won a close game last year as all juniors, I think we can all agree that whoever socal sends to that game this year is likely to get boat raced, which is unfortunate. Why hide some of your best teams in lieu of sending one outstanding team to a bowl and rewarding the tier 3-4 teams? Doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own. Believe me, after this years 1AA game, everyone will be complaining. Watch.

From the Socal perspective- It is ironic that they yell at Folsom, "you don't play anybody!" All while having the opportunity to send one of their own top 5 teams against Folsom to prove their theory. They have declined. I guess yelling fictitious facts is more appealing through message boards and social media. To quote the Grant coach- "beat em!"

Can't complain that the game is small when known for hunting squirrels all the time.
Scheduling DLS AT DLS is hunting for squirrels? Very interesting. Most people were applauding the Chaminade scheduling, taking them on in LA, until they found out they weren't going to be as good. Just for arguments sake, I checked out, via your posting history, two teams you regularly post about to compare strength of schedule, in regards to your "hunting squirrels" comment.
Cardinal Newman: 24.7
Rancho Cotate: 23.2
Analy: 5.0

For reference:
DLS: 46.7
Folsom: 38.7
Oaks Christian (small socal private): 37.5

Now, to counter the argument you are already about to type about your schools being "smaller," I would argue that much smaller schools have much tougher schedules (i.e. Oaks Christian).

My point is not to throw stones at others when your water may be much muddier.
 
Central is a good team who's win should be held in perspective. Buchanan likely spent a little more time prepping for DLS and only had a 1 week turn around to play Central, who probably isn't as good but was good enough.
Central would give Folsom a game but I don't think they have a stout enough defense to win. A rematch between the two would probably result in a similar end result to last time.
Fact Finder:
Does anybody know the last time a team was in the California Top 10 with a shutout loss? (excluding forfeits)
 
Folsom dismantled Central last year 54-35 when Folsom was a team of all juniors.

Central has not hyper improved (may have improved slightly) but Folsom has hyper improved. I don't think that game is remotely close if it happens. And I hope it does.

In all fairness, I think that game will probably be better than the D1 Bowl Game when Socal throws another San Diego team to the wolves. I hope they prove me wrong.
Interesting take on last years game, but I would have expected nothing less from you lol. I distinctly remember last years game actually being a pretty competitive match up until late in the game when Folsom pulled away. However this years Folsom team very well might have a convincing win, but than this is why we play the game. Dont underestimate what Central can potentially bring to the table
 
Buchanan likely spent a little more time prepping for DLS
This sounds like an excuse for a team that didn't play well against a top opponent.

Central would give Folsom a game
They barely gave them one last year. I think they would be lucky to come within 30 points this year. Honest take.

Does anybody know the last time a team was in the California Top 10 with a shutout loss? (
What will be even more interesting, is when DLS losses big in the open final, and Folsom blows out Central (who handily defeated Buchanan, who DLS struggled with), and then blows out another SoCal opponent in the 1AA game. Some questions will def come into play for sure. It's too bad DLS/Folsom round 2 won't happen at the end of this year like it should. No matter what any DLS posters says on here, there is no way they would be looking forward to that game, after what Folsom has done after week 0.

It really is a shame. I will still root for DLS in the open game.
 
54-35 no matter how you spin it. Choosing who scored and when as an excuse doesn't change the final score (i.e. Folsom vs. DLS this year)


Folsom is 2-0 against San Diego teams in the state bowl games. I am sure you, just as everyone else, doesn't want to see this again. While Folsom won a close game last year as all juniors, I think we can all agree that whoever socal sends to that game this year is likely to get boat raced, which is unfortunate. Why hide some of your best teams in lieu of sending one outstanding team to a bowl and rewarding the tier 3-4 teams? Doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own. Believe me, after this years 1AA game, everyone will be complaining. Watch.

From the Socal perspective- It is ironic that they yell at Folsom, "you don't play anybody!" All while having the opportunity to send one of their own top 5 teams against Folsom to prove their theory. They have declined. I guess yelling fictitious facts is more appealing through message boards and social media. To quote the Grant coach- "beat em!"


Scheduling DLS AT DLS is hunting for squirrels? Very interesting. Most people were applauding the Chaminade scheduling, taking them on in LA, until they found out they weren't going to be as good. Just for arguments sake, I checked out, via your posting history, two teams you regularly post about to compare strength of schedule, in regards to your "hunting squirrels" comment.
Cardinal Newman: 24.7
Rancho Cotate: 23.2
Analy: 5.0

For reference:
DLS: 46.7
Folsom: 38.7
Oaks Christian (small socal private): 37.5

Now, to counter the argument you are already about to type about your schools being "smaller," I would argue that much smaller schools have much tougher schedules (i.e. Oaks Christian).

My point is not to throw stones at others when your water may be much muddier.

Squirrels bro, squirrels! There were teams all over the country publicly stating their willingness to play Folsom. Had they played another marquee game and won they could have possibly leapfrogged DLS for the open with the close loss. Instead we get the matchup we all knew was going to happen before the season started. Folsom vs Nobody. I’m a fan of Folsom football but think they could have showcased this collection of talent a little better.
 
This sounds like an excuse for a team that didn't play well against a top opponent.


They barely gave them one last year. I think they would be lucky to come within 30 points this year. Honest take.


What will be even more interesting, is when DLS losses big in the open final, and Folsom blows out Central (who handily defeated Buchanan, who DLS struggled with), and then blows out another SoCal opponent in the 1AA game. Some questions will def come into play for sure. It's too bad DLS/Folsom round 2 won't happen at the end of this year like it should. No matter what any DLS posters says on here, there is no way they would be looking forward to that game, after what Folsom has done after week 0.

It really is a shame. I will still root for DLS in the open game.

If there was potential for a DLS Folsom post season game, round 1 never would have happened.
 
I have to add Neman did attempt to take down some big game in Liberty (60.1). Folsom could have at least tried to get them on the schedule.
 
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There were teams all over the country publicly stating their willingness to play Folsom.
Really? Who? SJB, who suddenly didn't have an open week when Folsom did? SJBs schedule is weak outside of their league this year. Folsom had to go after DLS to even get that game. Chaminade would only agree to one year and ONLY at their place. Not exactly the kind of "clamoring" you describe.

Had they played another marquee game and won they could have possibly leapfrogged DLS for the open with the close loss
I agree with you here. Maybe the Folsom coaches thought Chaminade would be much better, based on how they performed last year. If you think about it, this wasn't far off. If they could have beaten DLS & a better Chaminade team, both on the road, combined with a solid SFL.....not exactly a schedule full of ice cream cake.

Folsom vs Nobody. I’m a fan of Folsom football but think they could have showcased this collection of talent a little better.
Possibly. But scheduling an ENTIRE schedule of top teams outside of your league, with limited weeks, isn't exactly as easy as it is portrayed on these forums. Heck, if you even knew what it took to get DLS, you would agree with me.

And to your other point of Liberty- not exactly a strong "squirrels" argument when you are calling out Folsom for not playing anyone, when you can only highlight ONE team of substance in your entire general region that someone played. I believe you would agree.
 
If there was potential for a DLS Folsom post season game, round 1 never would have happened.
I think that would have worked against DLS. Nobody in Norcal wants to play Folsom right now. Look at the SFL coaches- they are trying to get rid of Folsom!
 
Interesting take on last years game, but I would have expected nothing less from you lol. I distinctly remember last years game actually being a pretty competitive match up until late in the game when Folsom pulled away. However this years Folsom team very well might have a convincing win, but than this is why we play the game. Dont underestimate what Central can potentially bring to the table
It was very competitive most of the game. The wheels came off for Central and the score reflected it not being as close as it probably was throughout the game. But, as I have stated before, that was a senior laden Central team against an all junior Folsom team who barely beat Helix in the 1AA game. Will Central be able to bridge a nearly 20 point gap from last year, against THIS YEARS Folsom team? Highly unlikely that the game is remotely close. But as others have stated, that is why we play the game.
 
I think that would have worked against DLS. Nobody in Norcal wants to play Folsom right now. Look at the SFL coaches- they are trying to get rid of Folsom!
Norcal teams typically dont want DLS either late in the year. Remember week 0 was week 0 for both teams and trying to make a daisy chain comparison of how DLS did against Buchanan and how Central did against Buchanan is a very weak argument.

It's a very real expectation that DLS will get creamed in the open game, but it's also a very real belief that so would have Folsom if it was Folsom that went to the Open game
 
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It was very competitive most of the game. The wheels came off for Central and the score reflected it not being as close as it probably was throughout the game. But, as I have stated before, that was a senior laden Central team against an all junior Folsom team who barely beat Helix in the 1AA game. Will Central be able to bridge a nearly 20 point gap from last year, against THIS YEARS Folsom team? Highly unlikely that the game is remotely close. But as others have stated, that is why we play the game.

You basically said the same thing I said. My post was a response to your description of last years game and I too said this year could be very different and so far looks like we will get to see that happen
 
Remember week 0 was week 0 for both teams
True, but we have also seen how both teams have progressed since then. You can come to your own conclusions and I have, and I am sure others have.

trying to make a daisy chain comparison of how DLS did against Buchanan and how Central did against Buchanan is a very weak argument.
Not really- common opponents.

DLS struggled against Buchanan, who won't contend for anything, even in NorCal. That hardly got ANY coverage or mention on this forum? Why? If Folsom struggled against a team like Buchanan or Central, they would get creamed on this forum! Prove me wrong.

It's a very real expectation that DLS will get creamed in the open game, but it's also a very real belief that so would have Folsom if it was Folsom that went to the Open game
Pure opinion and speculation. I actually believe the opposite and believe Folsom could give any SoCal team a run for their money, with respect to the SoCal teams. Personally, I think Folsom beats Cen10, and has a shot to beat SJB. All day long. I think MD would be much more of a challenge, but I believe Folsom could make that game interesting...They may not win, but it would be awfully interesting. The intrigue would be there. This year, there is no intrigue with the open game. Good or bad, we know exactly what we are getting and what the outcome is. Not a bad thing, as DLS earned that spot. Folsom did not.
 
I'll summarize elite Sacramento area football up since I've been on this board. Grant was once the big dog. Grant would play anyone, anytime, anywhere, but DLS. They got close but there was a money issue if I remember correctly about the gate split and that was that. I wonder in hindsight if they would have made the game work looking back on it all? They had the squad to get it done.

Then along came Folsom who plays in a legit league and that's it. You have to beg and grovel them to play anyone of note. They get one of the better collections of talent ever seen in the area and schedule a team that everyone knew was going to be down. They didn't schedule a Trinity league team, no Centennial, no Mission Viejo, nobody. Same story their whole little run.

Every team in the nation deals with scheduling but Folsom is the only team that has problems finding equal competition. Not only this season but every season! It's gotten to the point that some of the follow coaches in the league are done with the strange behavior. If Folsom scheduled like their talent level in non league I bet it wouldn't have come to a head. Since they never play anyone, come into league fresh, roll everyone in the league up, other coaches got mad.

Also off the top of my head how has Del Oro been able to schedule good talent over the years? Folsom should let Del Oro do their scheduling because they know what they're doing.
 
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Really? Who? SJB, who suddenly didn't have an open week when Folsom did? SJBs schedule is weak outside of their league this year. Folsom had to go after DLS to even get that game. Chaminade would only agree to one year and ONLY at their place. Not exactly the kind of "clamoring" you describe.


I agree with you here. Maybe the Folsom coaches thought Chaminade would be much better, based on how they performed last year. If you think about it, this wasn't far off. If they could have beaten DLS & a better Chaminade team, both on the road, combined with a solid SFL.....not exactly a schedule full of ice cream cake.

Possibly. But scheduling an ENTIRE schedule of top teams outside of your league, with limited weeks, isn't exactly as easy as it is portrayed on these forums. Heck, if you even knew what it took to get DLS, you would agree with me.

And to your other point of Liberty- not exactly a strong "squirrels" argument when you are calling out Folsom for not playing anyone, when you can only highlight ONE team of substance in your entire general region that someone played. I believe you would agree.
I have to say Cash you are the only person in the world that can make me side with dls. And I know I have to be careful because you’ll go crying to Steak. Witch is why Envy is no longer with us. Folsom LOST to dls with the best opportunity to beat them. You can’t change that. Chaminade isn’t good at all and the powers that be knew that the day the scheduled them. Folsom is right where they should be as far as ranking goes. They would get absolutely man handled by MD,SJB,DLS,CENT10, and maybe even OC. Those are just facts. At the end of the day Folsom has played one decent team and they lost. Folsom is a good team but there not one of the BIG boys.
 
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I'll summarize elite Sacramento area football up since I've been on this board.
You are going to summarize Sacramento football from Sonoma County? Sure, I'll take your opinion as an "expert witness."

Then along came Folsom who plays in a legit league and that's it. You have to beg and grovel them to play anyone of note. They get one of the better collections of talent ever seen in the area and schedule a team that everyone knew was going to be down.
Who is "of note?" A handful of private SoCal schools with 50-70 transfers? So you don't play one of those teams and you are nothing? Interesting take from someone posting about teams that regularly play schools like Fortuna.

Every team in the nation deals with scheduling but Folsom is the only team that has problems finding equal competition. Not only this season but every season!
DLS wasn't good enough this year? And AT DLS? Week 0? Wow, tough standard considering this was likely the best week 0 game in the country.

It's gotten to the point that some of the follow coaches in the league are done with the strange behavior.
Strange behavior? So SFL coaches are upset because of who Folsom is NOT playing outside of the SFL? Sounds like a me problem.

Folsom should let Del Oro do their scheduling because they know what they're doing.
Interesting. Del Oro has taken on Windsor the last 2 seasons. You should know them well. I will post the SoS for Folsom and Del Oro the past 2 seasons and we can compare with true numbers.

2018:
Folsom- 38.7
Del Oro- 22.4

2017:
Folsom- 48.6
Del Oro- 41.7

Keep in mind, both play in the SFL, so league opponents are the exact same. Only non league games separate. I'd rather deal in facts than just lame attempts at a troll job.
 
This is getting sad man. Lets just agree to disagree.
We can disagree. This isn't personal.

But if your going to take shots at a program, be prepared to face some questions about your own program(s). As fans, this is only fair.

No offense taken.
 
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I have to say Cash you are the only person in the world that can make me side with dls. And I know I have to be careful because you’ll go crying to Steak. Witch is why Envy is no longer with us. Folsom LOST to dls with the best opportunity to beat them. You can’t change that. Chaminade isn’t good at all and the powers that be knew that the day the scheduled them. Folsom is right where they should be as far as ranking goes. They would get absolutely man handled by MD,SJB,DLS,CENT10, and maybe even OC. Those are just facts. At the end of the day Folsom has played one decent team and they lost. Folsom is a good team but there not one of the BIG boys.
If you want to have an adult conversation with facts, then by all means, let's do that. Unfortunately, I will not respond to the same old rhetoric of "that team you played sucks!" "you suck!" That stuff is for kids.

If you want to have a legit argument, with facts, let me know, and we can square off, like adults.
 
54-35 no matter how you spin it. Choosing who scored and when as an excuse doesn't change the final score (i.e. Folsom vs. DLS this year)


Folsom is 2-0 against San Diego teams in the state bowl games. I am sure you, just as everyone else, doesn't want to see this again. While Folsom won a close game last year as all juniors, I think we can all agree that whoever socal sends to that game this year is likely to get boat raced, which is unfortunate. Why hide some of your best teams in lieu of sending one outstanding team to a bowl and rewarding the tier 3-4 teams? Doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own. Believe me, after this years 1AA game, everyone will be complaining. Watch.

From the Socal perspective- It is ironic that they yell at Folsom, "you don't play anybody!" All while having the opportunity to send one of their own top 5 teams against Folsom to prove their theory. They have declined. I guess yelling fictitious facts is more appealing through message boards and social media. To quote the Grant coach- "beat em!"


Scheduling DLS AT DLS is hunting for squirrels? Very interesting. Most people were applauding the Chaminade scheduling, taking them on in LA, until they found out they weren't going to be as good. Just for arguments sake, I checked out, via your posting history, two teams you regularly post about to compare strength of schedule, in regards to your "hunting squirrels" comment.
Cardinal Newman: 24.7
Rancho Cotate: 23.2
Analy: 5.0

For reference:
DLS: 46.7
Folsom: 38.7
Oaks Christian (small socal private): 37.5

Now, to counter the argument you are already about to type about your schools being "smaller," I would argue that much smaller schools have much tougher schedules (i.e. Oaks Christian).

My point is not to throw stones at others when your water may be much muddier.



YIKES!!!!

May want to recheck your "facts"....

Oaks Christian has 1400 kids....so its not exactly a small school private.

Cardinal Newman has 570 kids....THATS actually a small school private
 
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YIKES!!!!

May want to recheck your "facts"....

Oaks Christian has 1400 kids....so its not exactly a small school private.

Cardinal Newman has 570 kids....THATS actually a small school private
Ah, facts. I do like them. I checked your facts.

Cardinal Newman: 621
Oaks Christian: 1,000 (400 are grades 5-8)

Not exactly what you are trying to portray, but lets go with it. Oh, and never mind, according to the CIF website that CN and Oaks Christian played in a bowl game in the past. D3? 2006?

We can argue exact numbers all day but that is rather petty. A private school with even 600-1000, most places in CA, regularly beats public schools with 2k plus kids (different rules, we both would agree). So, lets not play the whole "small school" thing as an excuse to play weak competition, yet call others out for the perceived same thing. Let's call it like it is. Even the playing field. As I stated with @slick58 , nothing personal, just facts.

I don't really know much or care about the schools that @slick58 regularly posts about. That is his business. I only brought this stuff about because he was taking shots at one of the powerhouse programs in NorCal, while not mentioning some major flaws in the schools he is regularly marketing on here. If your are going to throw stones, be prepared to receive them back. We seemed to have worked out our differences.

Is it Friday yet?
 
Cardinal Newman has 573 kids this year and has suired up 28 or 29 kids every game. They played in that D3 state title game because CN opted up those yrs because there was no D4 state title games.
Hey, believe me I appreciate you throwing CN into a conversation regarding DLS and Folsom to make a point but your comparing apples and oranges.

TRUST ME...Id LOVE for CN to have 1000 kids and be able to suit 45 -50 kids and actuall have backups to give the starters a break now and then.

PS I dont know of any public schools of 2k that CN beats regularly.
The largest school in our county is Santa Rosa and they have been hovering between 1900 and 2k for awhile.
 
Haven’t read this thread much but I would love to see Cen10 play Folsom someday, that be as high octane as it gets !
 
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