BREAKING: Folsom v De La Salle

[feedback1]

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

 

[ararar]

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

This quote is why the the ruled was proposed.There is no getting around it.

“Folsom High football coaches Kris Richardson and Troy Taylor acknowledged that while they don’t mind playing De La Salle, they agree that the current playoff system is unfair because the second-best team in Northern California (the loser of the open regional game) is not being rewarded for being the second-best team, while the third-best team, the Division I winner, is being rewarded.

Richardson said after the loss to De La Salle that when the current playoff system was designed, the North would be sending their best teams down South to play for a state title.

“I don’t think they’re doing that right now when they’re sending the loser of the open game home,” Richardson said.

Saco, who said that Folsom High Principal Kathryn Allaman and Richardson and Taylor have been first-class folks to deal with, said there are a couple options to look at in terms of changing the playoff format.”

 

[cashisking18]

This quote is why the the ruled was proposed.There is no getting around it.

“Folsom High football coaches Kris Richardson and Troy Taylor acknowledged that while they don’t mind playing De La Salle, they agree that the current playoff system is unfair because the second-best team in Northern California (the loser of the open regional game) is not being rewarded for being the second-best team, while the third-best team, the Division I winner, is being rewarded.

Richardson said after the loss to De La Salle that when the current playoff system was designed, the North would be sending their best teams down South to play for a state title.

“I don’t think they’re doing that right now when they’re sending the loser of the open game home,” Richardson said.

Saco, who said that Folsom High Principal Kathryn Allaman and Richardson and Taylor have been first-class folks to deal with, said there are a couple options to look at in terms of changing the playoff format.”

The best part about these quotes is they are 100 percent right, as agreed upon by a majority of people in this forum. With such a big proposal, I am sure they would have quoted the two coaches from the 2nd best team in NorCal at that time. Who else would they quote? Sac High? Lol.

The SoCal pooling of the 10 or so best teams, sending 1 to state, and sending #10 in the #2 spot is laughable at best. And funny since the main two trolls on this forum that keep bringing this whole thing up are actually SoCal guys, not posting on SoCal forums, but rather trolling NorCal forums, especially Folsom and DLS threads.

Bizarre. But still doesn't change anything in 2 weeks. The same two guys can keep coming on here and posting 6 year old articles and screaming "Folsom rule!" Still won't change Folsom beating DLS on their home field in 2 weeks.

I wonder where those 2 posters will be after that night. My guess is a forum ghosting job. I cant wait.

 

[cashisking18]

To refresh everyone’s memory, here are the articles written in 2013 and 2014 about the CIF Open Division Playoff setup including the complaints from one of the parents of a football player on the Folsom team and also a Folsom resident with supposedly no affiliation to the Folsom Football program or the School.

I can probably say for certain there were many more complaints from the Folsom contingent (Parents of the Football Players and Residents of the Folsom Community) but they remained silent.

Both articles reference Folsom. No other schools were mentioned in these articles as to having a complaint about the Playoff System.

At that time, DLS was the best team from the NCS and Folsom was the best team from SJS. The playoff system was set for all divisions. The Folsom vs DLS game was played and Folsom was handedly beaten 2 straight years.

After taking the 2 beatings, did the Folsom Football Program concede they could not compete with DLS, no, the Folsom community took it upon themselves and went to the CIF and complained that the current football playoff system was not fair. We (The Folsom Community) want the rules changed so we and by default all other football programs in the SJS don’t have to play DLS and can then have a chance go to the state playoffs under a different divisional category.

Like it or not that’s why it was branded the ‘Folsom Rule’.

This whole issue wouldn’t have had such a bad smell if Mommy and Daddy, Public vs Private, and the constant complaints about the DLS Football Program were addressed in a much more professional manner.

Yes the DLS Football Program creates a challenging situation for Northern California High School Football. And also yes the DLS community should in most respects probably tone down the hype about the team, but it is what it is.

Deal with it.

Here are the articles:

http://www.lincolnnewsmessenger.com/article/parents-fans-argue-football-playoff-system-unfair

https://www.calhisports.com/2014/08/25/no-more-open-division-region-games/

IndianPride45,
You are a bit late to the party. @ararar has posted these articles frequently, upon multiple forum platforms. This issue has already been covered extensively, also across musltiple forum platforms. You are about a year or so late to this winning party that is about to occur in 2 weeks.

A quick colbaration with my fellow Bulldog nation posters, a quick history lesson, and your posting history, consisting only of 1. Folsom 2. DLS 3. And bagging on CVC was the dead give away. Next time, try to be more professional and hide it a bit better. Maybe bring back JoeMixon for a much better throwback!

All this is a diversion. A cool one, yet very outdated. I expected a better troll from you. You've been bottled up for too long. The good thing is that none of this matters in 2 weeks. All those excuses about this rule, that rule, you got beat 6 years ago, blag, blah, blah....... none of it matters. The game is set. The result is coming. Fast.

Folsom will beat DLS in 2 weeks. The gap has been closing for the last few years. The mountain top is upon us. Some of you are scared of change and I get that. But no amount of trolling, fake names, yelling "Folsom rule!", posting 5 year old articles, or making any more wild claims via copy and paste, will save you specific posters from your forum meltdown in two weeks.

My advice to all NCP posters- I would put DelValleyTrojanTroll on ignore. He is the former IndianPride and JoeMixon poster, with a bizarre obsession with Clayton Valley and Folsom football. Def a weird dude. I applaud his effort, but his act was old a long time ago.

Let's get back to football anyways- 2 weeks to go my friends! This should be one for the ages. Good luck to both sides as these two goliaths finally collide!

 

[cashisking18]

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

Spot on.

The same two posters can post all the articles they want. Which I think are halarious coming from random newspapers, "community members", and quotes from coaches on their opinions, in an attempt to peddle a conspiracy theory that Folsom didnt want to play DLS anymore. The funny thing is, these people do or should know the extent that Folsom went to just to play DLS this year. Heck, they even had to set up an alternate game for a DLS opponent go free up a week for DLS just to get the game. People have no clue.

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input. Nor does the CIF Executive Committee include votes from community members, parents, coaches, or NCPs posters.

Game. set. Match.

2 weeks is closing in fast for some of you.

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Spot on.

The same two posters can post all the articles they want. Which I think are halarious coming from random newspapers, "community members", and quotes from coaches on their opinions, in an attempt to peddle a conspiracy theory that Folsom didnt want to play DLS anymore. The funny thing is, these people do or should know the extent that Folsom went to just to play DLS this year. Heck, they even had to set up an alternate game for a DLS opponent go free up a week for DLS just to get the game. People have no clue.

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input. Nor does the CIF Executive Committee include votes from community members, parents, coaches, or NCPs posters.

Game. set. Match.

2 weeks is closing in fast for some of you.

You act like Folsom and Folsom alone made this game happen. Yes Folsom is the one that called DLS for this game. But only because they were pretty much forced to. You can go back and look I announced this game right here on this forum a week before It was public. I was there 25 min. after Lopez got the call, I saw the coaches giving each other high fives and one apologizing for ever doubting there was a God after getting the call from Folsom. Folsom did nothing more then DLS to get there opponents to play each other. It took 2 SoCal teams to make this game happen. But I’m not getting in to all that. They are playing two weeks from tonight and that’s all that should really matter.

 

[cashisking18]

You act like Folsom and Folsom alone made this game happen. Yes Folsom is the one that called DLS for this game. But only because they were pretty much forced to. You can go back and look I announced this game right here on this forum a week before It was public. I was there 25 min. after Lopez got the call, I saw the coaches giving each other high fives and one apologizing for ever doubting there was a God after getting the call from Folsom. Folsom did nothing more then DLS to get there opponents to play each other. It took 2 SoCal teams to make this game happen. But I’m not getting in to all that. They are playing two weeks from tonight and that’s all that should really matter.

Yawn........old news. Public knowledge.

2 weeks to go before our big win.

 

[14U2ALLNV]

Yawn........old news. Public knowledge.

2 weeks to go before our big win.

Yawn what a joke. This is the intelligents of a Folsom fan. I love it.

 

[cashisking18]

This is the intelligents of a Folsom fan.

*Intelligence

 

[14U2ALLNV]

*Intelligence

Exactly

 

[Califfbfan]

Cashisking18 seems to omit some observations:

* Outside of the Ngata brothers, their qb, and one other talented receiver, Folsom does not stack up to DLS:

OLine: advantage DLS.
DLine: BIG advantage DLS
LB's: BIG advantage DLS
Defensive Backs: advantage DLS

Some posters say DLS has 5-6 D1's and D2's on defense alone.

 

[SpartanzRule]

Cashisking18 seems to omit some observations:

* Outside of the Ngata brothers, their qb, and one other talented receiver, Folsom does not stack up to DLS:

OLine: advantage DLS.
DLine: BIG advantage DLS
LB's: BIG advantage DLS
Defensive Backs: advantage DLS

Some posters say DLS has 5-6 D1's and D2's on defense alone.

I agree. DLS has the advantage where it matters.

As of right now the the DLS defense has 4 D1s and 4 with D2 offers. I watched the Sac High defense completely shut down the Folsom offense. Folsom won, but had 7 points at half. I like DLS’s chances.

 

[cashisking18]

Outside of the Ngata brothers, their qb, and one other talented receiver, Folsom does not stack up to DLS:

I think you said it best.
Folsom has 4 stars that are better than anyone else DLS has.

Advantage: Folsom

 

[14U2ALLNV]

I think you said it best.
Folsom has 4 stars that are better than anyone else DLS has.

Advantage: Folsom

Same song and dance. DLS top ranked player #64. Folsom’s top ranked player #71. You simply don’t know what your talking about.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

So far Spartans have lots of talent with offers or interest
Henry To'oto'o 6'2" 220 RB/LB 4.6 (a 4-5 star), with 20 + offers including Alabama, Michigan, most of the Pac 12
Isaiah Foskey 6'5" 240 Senior TE/DE 4.7, (a 4-5 star) with 28 plus offers including Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Michigan, most of the Pac 12
Jhasi Wilson 6'2" 230 Senior DE/LB 4.7, with at least 5 offers from AZ State, AirForce, Nevada and growing

ADDITIONAL PROSPECTS
Taveis Marshall 6'2" 170 Senior CB offers from AirForce, Howard, Setron Hall so far
Clayton Ingram 6'6" 270 Senior OT at least 5 offers including UC Davis, San Diego, AirForce
Amir Wallace 6'0" 155 Senior CB San Diego offer so far
Beaux Tagaloa 6'0" 275 Senior DT offer from San Jose State
Gunnar Rask, 6-1, 250, Senior, DT, Pac 12 visits
Shamar Garrett, 5-7, 170, Junior, RB, typical Spartan RB that will emerge
There are others...

 

[Califfbfan]

Actually, the older brother Ngata is the one real star on Folsom. The other three are very good, but not nationally ranked types. plus, you will notice that Folsom has ZERO standouts listed on defense.

We all know (except maybe cashisking18) that it is defense that wins. I wonder if any Folsom defensive starters who could start on DLS?

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Actually, the older brother Ngata is the one real star on Folsom. The other three are very good, but not nationally ranked types. plus, you will notice that Folsom has ZERO standouts listed on defense.

We all know (except maybe cashisking18) that it is defense that wins. I wonder if any Folsom defensive starters who could start on DLS?

Was looking at film and Folsom will need to figure out how to slow the DLS pass rush. I was looking at Folsom QB and time and he gets the ball out quickly but the DLS pass rush puts lots of pressure up the middle and edges and they get to the QB really quickly. DLS LBs really close fast and read really well. Ngata in the slot is pretty physical but seems when other teams play on him he wins that battle and then is open or if you play off of him he gets open and runs by the defender. DLS will play the corners up and will have help, but last time DLS played they played Folsom straight up as far as they didn't have to do much else. The Ngata brother at RB is really good, but again the DLS defense isn't going to give him much space. Also DLS doesn't get fooled alot on misdirection and have speed to cover reverses.DLSLBs cover the screens really well as well. If the DLS pass rush does what it should, the Folsom QB may have a long night having to get rid of the ball quicker than he usually has to and DLS covers really well. DLS gets to the QB very quickly. DLS kicker also will kick it into the end zone and so returns will be minimal if any for Folsom. DLS offense is really going to be smashmouth as well ....To'oto'o is a really physical RB and they will have speed and threat of Fosky at TE and the other WRs to keep defenses honest. This will be the best defense Folsom will have faced as far as anyone on thi Folsom team and Folsom offense isn't as good as Mater Dei (which DLS didn't fair well against last season) but they can score alot of points of they get going. I tend to think this will be a better game than the earlier matchups because DLS needs to show a RB like they have had but this always emerges but that defense is going to be a tough matchup for Folsom. Should be a good game though.

 

[PhotoGuy_271]

De La Salle vs. Folsom: Collision Course
Place your vote at the end of the article
https://sportstarsmag.com/dls-folsom-collision-course/

 

[DelValleTrojan]

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

IndianPride45,
You are a bit late to the party. @ararar has posted these articles frequently, upon multiple forum platforms. This issue has already been covered extensively, also across musltiple forum platforms. You are about a year or so late to this winning party that is about to occur in 2 weeks.

A quick colbaration with my fellow Bulldog nation posters, a quick history lesson, and your posting history, consisting only of 1. Folsom 2. DLS 3. And bagging on CVC was the dead give away. Next time, try to be more professional and hide it a bit better. Maybe bring back JoeMixon for a much better throwback!

All this is a diversion. A cool one, yet very outdated. I expected a better troll from you. You've been bottled up for too long. The good thing is that none of this matters in 2 weeks. All those excuses about this rule, that rule, you got beat 6 years ago, blag, blah, blah....... none of it matters. The game is set. The result is coming. Fast.

Folsom will beat DLS in 2 weeks. The gap has been closing for the last few years. The mountain top is upon us. Some of you are scared of change and I get that. But no amount of trolling, fake names, yelling "Folsom rule!", posting 5 year old articles, or making any more wild claims via copy and paste, will save you specific posters from your forum meltdown in two weeks.

My advice to all NCP posters- I would put DelValleyTrojanTroll on ignore. He is the former IndianPride and JoeMixon poster, with a bizarre obsession with Clayton Valley and Folsom football. Def a weird dude. I applaud his effort, but his act was old a long time ago.

Let's get back to football anyways- 2 weeks to go my friends! This should be one for the ages. Good luck to both sides as these two goliaths finally collide!

Feedback, Cashisking18,

After the articles were published with the Folsom Parent, Folsom Resident, Folsom Coaches and Folsom Administration making their comments, right or wrong the Folsom community set themselves up criticism. Again, like it or not, right or wrong that’s why it was branded the ‘Folsom Rule’.

Given the playoff system setup at that time, Folsom was to meet DLS for the Open Division playoff game. That was the way the playoff system was setup. Folsom lost 2 years in a row. Folsom didn’t like that outcome and expressed their concerns in the media about changing the playoff system so the loser in the Open Division could have the opportunity to play in the State playoffs. Somehow conveniently after the comments the CIF decided to make some changes to the system. Frankly, I do not care how it all went down and you and the others can continue to be blind to the fact that the comments by the Folsom Parent, Folsom Resident, Folsom Coaches and Folsom Administration did not play any part in the changes to the playoff system. Hey guess what, the CIF does read those articles and can yes take into consideration those and any comments when making changes to the playoff setup, but they in most respects will never express that in the media. Folsom should have pulled up its big boy pants and kept silent about the playoff setup and let the CIF come to their own conclusions that they might need to adjust the playoff system, but no Folsom had to indicate through comments in the media that the system seemed unfair because they thought the second best team in Northern California should be able to play for a participation trophy at the State Playoffs.

You can present all the CIF documentation you want on this forum, but to say that the Folsom comments were not or never taken into consideration directly or indirectly in the most minute way to possibly move the CIF to make adjustments to the playoff system is being disingenuous.

At this point we can agree to disagree.

Let’s move on.

We are going to find out in 2 weeks who is going to possibly represent NorCal in the 2018 Open Division State Playoffs. I will say it now if Folsom wins; congratulations to Folsom on an outstanding win for their team. A very talented NorCal team finally beat DLS. Maybe the winds of change are finally upon us.

But I also want to make it perfectly clear DLS is going to be well prepared to defend their undefeated NorCal record and put the big hurt on Folsom. I hope Folsom realizes DLS will take no prisoners in this game. The beat down could get real ugly.

 

[cashisking18]

Feedback, Cashisking18,

After the articles were published with the Folsom Parent, Folsom Resident, Folsom Coaches and Folsom Administration making their comments, right or wrong the Folsom community set themselves up criticism. Again, like it or not, right or wrong that’s why it was branded the ‘Folsom Rule’.

Given the playoff system setup at that time, Folsom was to meet DLS for the Open Division playoff game. That was the way the playoff system was setup. Folsom lost 2 years in a row. Folsom didn’t like that outcome and expressed their concerns in the media about changing the playoff system so the loser in the Open Division could have the opportunity to play in the State playoffs. Somehow conveniently after the comments the CIF decided to make some changes to the system. Frankly, I do not care how it all went down and you and the others can continue to be blind to the fact that the comments by the Folsom Parent, Folsom Resident, Folsom Coaches and Folsom Administration did not play any part in the changes to the playoff system. Hey guess what, the CIF does read those articles and can yes take into consideration those and any comments when making changes to the playoff setup, but they in most respects will never express that in the media. Folsom should have pulled up its big boy pants and kept silent about the playoff setup and let the CIF come to their own conclusions that they might need to adjust the playoff system, but no Folsom had to indicate through comments in the media that the system seemed unfair because they thought the second best team in Northern California should be able to play for a participation trophy at the State Playoffs.

You can present all the CIF documentation you want on this forum, but to say that the Folsom comments were not or never taken into consideration directly or indirectly in the most minute way to possibly move the CIF to make adjustments to the playoff system is being disingenuous.

At this point we can agree to disagree.

Let’s move on.

We are going to find out in 2 weeks who is going to possibly represent NorCal in the 2018 Open Division State Playoffs. I will say it now if Folsom wins; congratulations to Folsom on an outstanding win for their team. A very talented NorCal team finally beat DLS. Maybe the winds of change are finally upon us.

But I also want to make it perfectly clear DLS is going to be well prepared to defend their undefeated NorCal record and put the big hurt on Folsom. I hope Folsom realizes DLS will take no prisoners in this game. The beat down could get real ugly.

IndianPride45,
I commend you on staying the course on your agenda. It is commendable, yet still a false narrative, no matter how many random newspaper articles that cite "community members" and "supposed parents."

While your opinion is noted, it still doesn't change the facts of this rule. They are listed below.

1. Parents are not part of the 10 member committee that voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of this rule change.

2. Parents do not cast any votes, nor are they given a forum to voice and opinion. The committee served as an idependant body to make decisions in the best interest of ALL teams in NorCal. Not one team on the basis of a few parental quotes in random newspapers.

3. Coaches also do not have a vote.

4. Community members do not vote.

5. Kids do not have a vote.

6. The Lincoln newspaper does not have a vote.

To imply that coaches, parents, and a few community members quotes of opinion for newspapers not called the SacBee or even Folsom Telegraph, set up come conspiracy through these outlets to lobby the CIF TEN MEMBER committee to ALL VOTE UNANIMOUSLY in favor of changing this rule, is extremely disenengius and bias based. You and I both know that. I think it's time you dropped the act and gave it a rest. The rule has been covered in depth. You are a few years too late. The committee represents all teams. Not just Folsom, although the timing is convenient, given the agenda you are pushing. The CIF would never change a rule that could possible affects HUNDREDS of HS teams, in favor of ONE team, no matter the circumstances. To imply that the CIF got ALL TEN members to agree to this in support of Folsom is outlandish and quite frankly, a hilarious accusation. You need to do better.

If you are pushing the "comments swayed the committee!" narrative, that is even more laughable. Comments from other teams, coaches, players, and community members from MANY other places were made on this very topic far before Folsom ever came in to the future.

And to be clear- the committee got it right. DLS will benefit from this rule this year when they lose to use but still get a shot at the 1AA game. Go DLS right? This year, it will be the "DLS rule!"

You have failed in convincing the forum in regards to your agenda. Myself and Feedback have presented facts. You have presented opinions.

Look- I understand you have an axe to grind with CVC and Folsom for some bizarre reason. Your entire posting history consists of comments of threads about 1. Folsom 2
CVC 3. DLS. I don't think anyone really cares. But for future reference, if you want to troll, use facts, and not opinions. Also, hanging with your original handle and not this new one would also help your case.

Ok back to football- enjoy the Folsom win in 2 weeks. It will be nice to finally get past all of mumbo jumbo, and prove what a few of us have been saying for a few years. It will be judgment day for many, to include you.

Go Folsom! 42-35!

 

[cashisking18]

Same song and dance. DLS top ranked player #64. Folsom’s top ranked player #71. You simply don’t know what your talking about.

Yawn..........same ole song and dance trying to prove superiority. It won't work this year. The talent we have on both sides of the ball exceeds that of DLS.

The quality and sheer number of D1s we have this year is better. Those are facts.

Enjoy.

 

[Califfbfan]

Please tell me the talent that Folsom has on the defensive side. Since you are such an expert on Folsom, can you compare the D lines; linebackers, and defensive backs? I doubt you can, since it seems you only know about the Ngata brother, and their QB.

Look forward to your analysis G61.

 

[cashisking18]

Please tell me the talent that Folsom has on the defensive side. Since you are such an expert on Folsom, can you compare the D lines; linebackers, and defensive backs? I doubt you can, since it seems you only know about the Ngata brother, and their QB.

Look forward to your analysis G61.

Tre,
SInce you know so much- why dont you educate me? Tell me about our defense lol

You will find out about all the above in 2 weeks.

Just dont drive too fast through Friday traffic after Friday practice. You should be more focused on your own defense and getting on the field this year, versus worrying about a HS teams potential defense.

 

[cashisking18]

De La Salle vs. Folsom: Collision Course
Place your vote at the end of the article
https://sportstarsmag.com/dls-folsom-collision-course/

Wow that is an amazing article! Great detail on both squads! Good stuff!

 

[DLSPop1314]

[QUOT="NorCalSportsFan, post: 202429, member: 94"]Folsom's schedule the last couple years has been somewhat down (exception Helix is a very good program but not an elite team for them). DLS SOS has been very tough considering they have played national ranked elite teams.

Here are the DLS results vs.their opponents rated over 50 in 2017:
s1. St. Johns (65) Win 35-31
s2. St. Francis (51.9) Win 31-7
s3. BG (72.5) Loss 34-7
s4. Central (57.2) Win 49-30
p5. Pittsburgh (60.8) Win 24-7
p6. Mater Dei (97) Loss 52-21

Here are the Folsom results vs. their opponents rated over 50 in 2017:
s1. Coeur d'Alene (53) Win 56-33
s2. Jesuit (50.6) Win 55-9
s3. Granite Bay (52.2) Win 35-14
s4. Oak Ridge (53.7) Win 42-28
p5. Jesuit (50.6) Win 27-14
p6. St Mary's (53.9) Win 50-21
p7. Central (57.2) Win 54-35
p8. Helix (65.8) Win 49-42

s= scheduled
p= playoff

Conclusions one might resaonably draw from this list:
a. DLS (rated 70.9) and Folsom (rated 73.9) were two very good teams that were rated similarly. DLS was 4-2 and Folsom was 8-0 vs. the teams rated over 50.
b. DLS played two teams rated over 70 and lost both games.
c. Folsom did not play any teams rated higher than they were
d. DLS and Folsom's best wins were roughly the same.

I think if you look at the results objectively, you would think that DLS and Folsom were pretty close in 2017. I personally don't see much separating them. And I don't place as much value on a beat-down loss to highly ranked teams than others on this board. Certainly not any more value than a win vs. a very good team.[/QUOTE]

Your analysis is solid

Biggest flaw is the SJC would have beaten Helix by 4 TDs — theybwere nit remotely comparable

I’m a CP advocate, but they always overrate 2nd Tier socal teams

SJC only lost twice last year — both by 4 points, to DLS and SJB (and DLS played their best half of football all year to pull it out). They are ranked in the top 5 of the country in preseason

Helix lost by 3TDs to a D5 teams and only CP has them in top 100 this year

I remember right as the playoffs were startting in 2012, CP had DLS #9 in the state and they were the only NorCal team in top 25. 4 weeks later, DLS won their 4th straight Open (by >100 points combined) and the compilation MNCs at Rivals and CP, and 3-loss Granite Bay (beaten by NCS #9 seed) beat Pac5 champs for D1 title

CP is a great tool, but they always overrate the same 2nd Tier socal teams

 

[DLSPop1314]

There will be a new team in the open this year.

The only broken hearts on sleeves will be on this forum in about 2 weeks. Dont go missing that night. You're cute.

You know how easy it would be to get everyone’s support here

Take the high road

Despite what your assertions are, Folsom
Is the underdog and everyone is ready to root for you if you let them and stop claiming victory prematurely in every post

 

[cashisking18]

Here are the DLS results vs.their opponents rated over 50 in 2017:
s1. St. Johns (65) Win 35-31
s2. St. Francis (51.9) Win 31-7
s3. BG (72.5) Loss 34-7
s4. Central (57.2) Win 49-30
p5. Pittsburgh (60.8) Win 24-7
p6. Mater Dei (97) Loss 52-21

Here are the Folsom results vs. their opponents rated over 50 in 2017:
s1. Coeur d'Alene (53) Win 56-33
s2. Jesuit (50.6) Win 55-9
s3. Granite Bay (52.2) Win 35-14
s4. Oak Ridge (53.7) Win 42-28
p5. Jesuit (50.6) Win 27-14
p6. St Mary's (53.9) Win 50-21
p7. Central (57.2) Win 54-35
p8. Helix (65.8) Win 49-42

s= scheduled
p= playoff

Conclusions one might resaonably draw from this list:
a. DLS (rated 70.9) and Folsom (rated 73.9) were two very good teams that were rated similarly. DLS was 4-2 and Folsom was 8-0 vs. the teams rated over 50.
b. DLS played two teams rated over 70 and lost both games.
c. Folsom did not play any teams rated higher than they were
d. DLS and Folsom's best wins were roughly the same.

I think if you look at the results objectively, you would think that DLS and Folsom were pretty close in 2017. I personally don't see much separating them. And I don't place as much value on a beat-down loss to highly ranked teams than others on this board. Certainly not any more value than a win vs. a very good team.

Your analysis is solid

Biggest flaw is the SJC would have beaten Helix by 4 TDs — theybwere nit remotely comparable

I’m a CP advocate, but they always overlook 2nd Tier socal teams

SJC only lost twice last year — both by 4 points, to DLS and SJB (and DLS played their best half of football all year to pull it out). They are ranked in the top 5 of the country in preseason

Helix lost by 3TDs to a D5 teams and only CP has them in top 100 this year

I remember right as the playoffs were startting in 2012, CP had DLS #9 in the state and they were the only NorCal team in top 25. 4 weeks later, DLS won their 4th straight Open (by >100 points combined) and the compilation MNCs at Rivals and CP, and 3-loss Granite Bay (beaten by NCS #9 seed) beat Pac5 champs for D1 title

CP is a great tool, but they always overlook the same 2nd Tier socal teams[/QUOTE]
Pops this is a great analysis.

Cant wait for the game!

 

[Califfbfan]

Cashisking 18: Do you have the analysis of the Folsom defense please.

 

[PhotoGuy_271]

Wow that is an amazing article! Great detail on both squads! Good stuff!

Thanks Cashisking...yes it was a nice article for both sides..

 

[cashisking18]

Cashisking 18: Do you have the analysis of the Folsom defense please.

If you paid attention in class at SJSU you would have done the easy work and clicked the link from @PhotoGuy_271 which gives a full breakdown of their defense. Why repeat the same info?

R u ok? the SJSU depth chart online doesn't even have you on it. Water boy again?

 

[DLSPop1314]

If you paid attention in class at SJSU you would have done the easy work and clicked the link from @PhotoGuy_271 which gives a full breakdown of their defense. Why repeat the same info?

R u ok? the SJSU depth chart online doesn't even have you on it. Water boy again?

I don’t post on here nearly as often as I used to but am familiar with your long running feud above

FWIW, IMHO, everyone ought to keep personal info out of it — nothing about who a specific person is or isn’t (there’s a lot of coaches that view or post here and I think most would prefer anonymity), nothing about anyone’s actual kids, etc

Lively discussions are cool but you aren’t allowed to hit below the belt in actual fights either

 

[1315]

Streak runs this show.

 

[DelValleTrojan]

IndianPride45,
I commend you on staying the course on your agenda. It is commendable, yet still a false narrative, no matter how many random newspaper articles that cite "community members" and "supposed parents."

While your opinion is noted, it still doesn't change the facts of this rule. They are listed below.

1. Parents are not part of the 10 member committee that voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of this rule change.

2. Parents do not cast any votes, nor are they given a forum to voice and opinion. The committee served as an idependant body to make decisions in the best interest of ALL teams in NorCal. Not one team on the basis of a few parental quotes in random newspapers.

3. Coaches also do not have a vote.

4. Community members do not vote.

5. Kids do not have a vote.

6. The Lincoln newspaper does not have a vote.

To imply that coaches, parents, and a few community members quotes of opinion for newspapers not called the SacBee or even Folsom Telegraph, set up come conspiracy through these outlets to lobby the CIF TEN MEMBER committee to ALL VOTE UNANIMOUSLY in favor of changing this rule, is extremely disenengius and bias based. You and I both know that. I think it's time you dropped the act and gave it a rest. The rule has been covered in depth. You are a few years too late. The committee represents all teams. Not just Folsom, although the timing is convenient, given the agenda you are pushing. The CIF would never change a rule that could possible affects HUNDREDS of HS teams, in favor of ONE team, no matter the circumstances. To imply that the CIF got ALL TEN members to agree to this in support of Folsom is outlandish and quite frankly, a hilarious accusation. You need to do better.

If you are pushing the "comments swayed the committee!" narrative, that is even more laughable. Comments from other teams, coaches, players, and community members from MANY other places were made on this very topic far before Folsom ever came in to the future.

And to be clear- the committee got it right. DLS will benefit from this rule this year when they lose to use but still get a shot at the 1AA game. Go DLS right? This year, it will be the "DLS rule!"

You have failed in convincing the forum in regards to your agenda. Myself and Feedback have presented facts. You have presented opinions.

Look- I understand you have an axe to grind with CVC and Folsom for some bizarre reason. Your entire posting history consists of comments of threads about 1. Folsom 2
CVC 3. DLS. I don't think anyone really cares. But for future reference, if you want to troll, use facts, and not opinions. Also, hanging with your original handle and not this new one would also help your case.

Ok back to football- enjoy the Folsom win in 2 weeks. It will be nice to finally get past all of mumbo jumbo, and prove what a few of us have been saying for a few years. It will be judgment day for many, to include you.

Go Folsom! 42-35!

G61, TheFolsomBulldog, thekingera, cashisking18,

We can agree to disagree.

Moving On,

Folsom has 2 opportunities to dethrone the #1 team in Northern California for the last 30 years DLS.

The first opportunity is in 11 days. We’ll find out on 8/17 if the Folsom hype is legit.

 

[RidgeRider]

G61, TheFolsomBulldog, thekingera, cashisking18,

We can agree to disagree.

Moving On,

Folsom has 2 opportunities to dethrone the #1 team in Northern California for the last 30 years DLS.

The first opportunity is in 11 days. We’ll find out on 8/17 if the Folsom hype is legit.

Don't forget:

ChrisRScoreman
folsomchamps6
sierrafoothillking
foothillfootball32

 

[DelValleTrojan]

Don't forget:

ChrisRScoreman
folsomchamps6
sierrafoothillking
foothillfootball32

RidgeRider,
Good one !
I'm busting up laughing as I write this response.

 

[cashisking18]

G61, TheFolsomBulldog, thekingera, cashisking18,

We can agree to disagree.

Moving On,

Folsom has 2 opportunities to dethrone the #1 team in Northern California for the last 30 years DLS.

The first opportunity is in 11 days. We’ll find out on 8/17 if the Folsom hype is legit.

IndianPride45/JoeMixon/and many others,
This same thing was posted by you last night and then deleted. Same exact post. Why?

Nobody is more interested in the hype as you. No need to edit or delete posts anymore. We all know who you are and your history. Embrace it IndianPride. Hopefully you can stay a while.

Go Folsom!

 

[DelValleTrojan]

IndianPride45/JoeMixon/and many others,
This same thing was posted by you last night and then deleted. Same exact post. Why?

Nobody is more interested in the hype as you. No need to edit or delete posts anymore. We all know who you are and your history. Embrace it IndianPride. Hopefully you can stay a while.

Go Folsom!

Must of been some technical glitch on the website.

Just wanted to make sure you knew I was still here.

 

[cashisking18]

Must of been some technical glitch on the website.

Just wanted to make sure you knew I was still here.

Posted and deleted? Sure sounds like a technical glitch to me. I was beginning to think you were scared to post it and had second thoughts........

I wanted to be sure you felt safe here. This is your safe space. We all know you here.

Everyone is aware.

 

[remc]

If I was a fan of Folsom, I would probably just stay quite and hope for the best. De La Salle plays top recruits ALL the time, for the past 30 years. Not to discredit Folsom, but when you struggle with Sacramento High. What makes you think you can beat de la, at concord week 0. Just be happy they selected you. Take your heart out of it and use your brain for a second.

Top recruits all the time? Folsom has more D1 players than DLS

 

[cashisking18]

Top recruits all the time? Folsom has more D1 players than DLS

I think it was a bad attempt at a troll job. They are obvious on here now. Let's keep it football guys!