I’m wondering if, whatever the outcome on 8/17, these 2 teams would meet again come playoff time for the NorCal Open title.I figure that since they would have already played then a “leave no doubt rematch” would be even juicier. Of course, the Pitt Pirates, CVC, St.Marys, and a couple of others might have something to say about yhat
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I understand your question, but the current NorCal playoff system eliminated the final game between the best team from the NCS and the SJS. This game on 8/17 sets the stage for the potential Open Division selection, but there is still a whole season of football to be played and both of the teams could possibly suffer a second loss. Considering the 3 other schools you mentioned in your commentary, Pittsburg seems IMHO to be the third candidate that has a shot of being selected as the NorCal Open representative. They, at the present time, are flying under the radar and could be the wild card that disrupts all of the DLS – Folsom conversation.
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I don’t think Pitt is under the radar. I said at least a week ago Pitt will beat DLS in the ncs open.
Let me play devils advocate. If Folsom beats DLS and goes undefeated. And Pitt goes undefeated and beats DLS in the ncs open. Who gets the bid to the state open?
My answer. There is no way they even consider giving it to anyone but Pitt.
That would be a pretty horrible scenario for the DLS faithful. I would think if Folsom’s win was clearly better than Pitt’s, then they would definitely have to at least be considered. But that would entail one of DLS’ strongest teams in recent years to lose twice to NorCal opponents.
On a lighter note, it looks like DLS has unveiled a Lad bobblehead for this season. A must have for all Spartan fans.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/0...ow-bob-ladouceur-bobblehead-became-a-reality/
Pitt isnt going undefeated with they're schedule. No way. If Folsom goes undefeated they will get the open bid. Period.
Oh really? Pitt goes undefeated they will get the open bid. period. Done. End of story. And even if Pitt loses a close one to Cent10 and beats DLS in week 4 of the playoffs they will be heavily considered and would have my vote. You see when you schedule top teams it counts. Chaminade is your basic Helix. It’s a step up from your other schedules. But it’s no wow factor at all. If your honest with yourself then you realize that as of right now Folsom does NOT control there own destiny. They do need help. And really that a sad situation. It doesn’t matter all you can do is handle your business and prey. Good luck.
A lot of if's.
If Folsom beats DLS on the road and goes undefeated, Folsom goes to the open. Period. Enjoy.
There is just no way to deal with stupidity. So yeah please let me know how that works out for ya. NOT
There are a lot of things that would need to happen...but interesting to talk about...I don't think that there would be a clear cut "this team has the open hands down." I can see strong arguments for both Folsom and Pitt to be selected if they both go undefeated.
I'm not trying to argue this...however, in this hypothetical situation, both would have beaten DLS. The only difference being Folsom would have beaten them early in the season and Pitt would have beaten them the week prior (read: late in the playoffs). Typically speaking, DLS gets much stronger as the season progresses...I wonder if the selection committee would take this factor into consideration.
I'm not trying to argue this...however, in this hypothetical situation, both would have beaten DLS. The only difference being Folsom would have beaten them early in the season and Pitt would have beaten them the week prior (read: late in the playoffs). Typically speaking, DLS gets much stronger as the season progresses...I wonder if the selection committee would take this factor into consideration.
If Pitt defeats Centennial that would probably benefit them if Centennial goes far in the playoffs like they usually do. Folsom plays Chaminade but not sure they will win their league. Pitt arguably would have a good shot if that is the case but who knows other than the selection committee.
Which wont happen.
I will find it quite ironic if DLS loses to Folsom and the fans switch gears and start campaigning for Folsom to not make the open. I would expect nothing less.
You are way off. No DLS fan wants to lose to Pitt just to keep Folsom out. That is just ridiculous. It was just a hypothetical question. You get BUTT hurt way to easy. I’m just saying as of right now there is two teams that control there own destination, DLS and Pitt. And even if Folsom wins against DLS they have to wait for Pitt to lose. That’s ironic.
No way. Folsom wins outright and they are in. Folsom may still be ranked ahead of Pitt in the suggested scenario. Tough to say. I just dont think Pitt is going undefeated.
Don’t you worry about it cash. The whole scenario will be over in 9 days.
Not worried whatsoever.
I'm more worried about where I'm going to have my victory celebration. Complete with pie- ala mode!
If Pitt goes undefeated (which I don't think they will defeat DLS), but if they do - when the state bowl selection committee looks at the teams they will look at common opponents and strength of wins (i.e., wins over common opponents, playoff teams, league champs, section champs, etc. ) . There is a long season to go. If the case happens where both Folsom and Pitt go undefeated, games against Serra-San Mateo and Jesuit (which could both win their respective leagues) and who Pitt and Folsom face in the playoffs will come to play. Whether winning against DLS earlier like week 0 or later in the playoffs is any ones guess and might come into play, but the overall season as far as strength of wins will be looked at. It isn't a slam dunk which team between Folsom or Pitt would be chosen. Both teams would have to defeat the Spartans which hasn't been done in many years. That will be the first task and if both teams lose, the same selection criteria will come into play if each is 9-1 or 8-2.
Solid response.
It's time for a new NorCal rep to get into the open and show what they can do. With respect to DLS, its time for something new. We've seen veer right and veer left against the same SoCal teams for years. I personally want to see something different. If it isnt us, I wouldn't mind seeing Pitt on display.
I know many of you will be horrified at this thought, but it's the truth, and I would bet many people would agree.
And spare me the "you're going to get running clocked in the open!" Yawn.....that's played out now. It's time for something different. Lets hope it happens!
I’m sorry but if Pitt goes undefeated that means they beat Cent10. And DLS week 4 of the playoffs. Game, set, match. Folsom would have nothing but DLS week 0. I agree it’s not going to happen. But that scenario is on the table and yes it would be a slam dunk.
As long as a new team gets to the open, I'm personally good with it.
Out with the old, in with the new!
I do believe it will happen. Just not anytime soon. I personally don’t want to see someone new just because. I want to see the best chance to win in the open. If Folsom would like to play one of those teams (SLB, MD, OL, etc...) just say the word and they will cut each other’s throats to get at Folsom.
I believe it will happen this year. Outside of DLS fans, no one wants to watch veer right and veer left to up against these modern high powered offenses. It's boring. I want to see something else. Watching the same movie over and over again is never fun.
I believe we will earn the right to play one of those teams and showcase what we have on the big stage. But we will earn it.
Interesting question
Assuming the rest of Pitt/ Folsom schedules are indistinguishable I’d tend to agree
Beating DLS in December a much bigger achievement than August
Gents with all this battle of NorCal talk don't mean a thing. Reality is SoCal is much more sophisticated when it comes to recruiting. Yes you can be the King of NorCal, but it is going to take a shift in mindset from Faculty/AD's/Coaches/Parents that there needs to be Powerhouse schools in the EBAL, DFAL, SJS, WCAL...(throw in whatever League you may have a shot as well) who recruit to compete with the talent you are going to see in SoCal from here on out. DLS has been their dominate selves through hard work, grit and the Holy ONE himself. But as we saw last year, not even God couldn't even help Sparty vs. Mater Dei. You got 17 legit D1 kids on your squad...whoever plays that squad being a "Normal" high school. Good Luck!
You are assuming Centennial gets through the playoff gauntlett defeating Mater Dei or Saint John Bosco in championship which most likely isn't going to happen. Playing Centennial most likely isn't going to help them as much as you think. Centennial defeats Chandler (who could be AZ state champ) and Lutheran which is stacked, then yes - a good shot Pitt would get it. However, Centennial could easily end the season with 2-3 losses and no state game (unless socal allows two teams from the playoff bracket to play in the bowl divivsion championship). In any event, Pitt or Folsom getting into the bowl will be based in some ways on their winning (first) and also the teams they play winning. Not a slam dunk of Pitt over Folsom. Centennial is in a much harder place than they were with the playoff format.
I’m not assuming that at all. I’m assuming Cent10 will lose. They are still way better then anything Folsom has on there schedule. I don’t believe anyone understands what it’s like playing SJB, MD, Cent10. When Folsom or DLS lines up against these teams just about every single player is looking on the other side of the ball at someone better then them. This year SJB has the #1 duel threat QB. MD has #2. I’m told SJB has #2&3 WR. MD has #1 ( McCoy). 4* DB’s and safety’s. I could talk about there lineman but why. The reason DLS has somewhat of a chances is simply the veer. They control the clock and beat you down. They hit you over and over again until you hopefully make a mistake like trying to blitz. So trust me if I know nothing else I know you don’t want to see Folsom or Pitt in the open. I have seen every open except the one Grant was in. I went home that morning. These SoCal teams are basically small collages. I don’t want to tell you what these teams would do to Folsom. Folsom has played DLS twice and they have never seen anything close to these teams.
Centennial is better than DLS?
False. Zero chance. And it's boring. Time for some new blood.
Myself and others would much rather see Folsom or Pitt play SoCal's best. I'd rather see those two teams get running clocked then to watch the veer struggle for an entire 4 quarters again! It's hard to watch! And when they try to throw it just looks bad! At least Folsom and Pitt are a threat to throw and have athletes. It would be somewhat fun to watch!
I’m sorry but your a one legged man in a ass kicking contest right now. You really should think before you post. You just proved my point. Cent10 and DLS have played 5 times. And the one game DLS lost went down to the last second when DLS almost ran the kick off for a TD. And you know your not obligated to watch the open. You can watch your cute little D-2 game and leave or turn the channel. Then the most ridiculous thing you said. If you and other would much rather see Folsom or Pitt play SoCal’s best your out of luck when it comes to Folsom. They refuse to schedule there best. That’s a fact. But you can watch Pitt play Cent10.
I think you will enjoy watching us in the open this year. At least it will be somewhat worth watching.
No need to take offense.
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My $.02. I will be hoping and preying for a Folsom win vs dls. But even so i would much rather se dls in the open. Anyone of those teams will score 50 in the first half with there eyes closed. Really with there eyes closed. The way Folsom plays offense comdined with there defense. It would be a boat race. It would be the worst game in state open history. But man it would be awesome to beat dls. Go bulldogs.
Let's put it like this (using preseason rankings)...
IF by some miracle Folsom went undefeated this year they would have beaten
#3 De La Salle
#6 Jesuit - Carmichael
#9 Del Oro
#11 Oak Ridge
#13 Granite Bay
Plus SoCal #12 Chaminade
Bubble Team Antelope
IF by some miracle Pittsburg went undefeated thus year they would have beaten
#3 De La Salle
#4 Liberty
#5 Serra - San Mateo
#16 St. Mary's - Stockton
Plus SoCal #3 Centennial - Corona
Bubble Team Antioch and a potential snub in Clayton Valley Charter
Folsom will benefit from playing a tough league schedule but in my eyes kind of picked and chose it's way around it's non-league schedule. They did a very wise thing by taking on the head of the snake in De La Salle. If they beat them and run the table it should be over.
HOWEVER, Pitt one upped them. Their non-league schedule is not as tough as Folsom so they scheduled a monster of a preseason with Clayton Valley, St. Mary's, Serra and Centennial; all teams who have been in a state championship game over the last 2 years. Unlike Folsom, they don't really need to schedule De La Salle as they have a high probability of running into them in the playoffs. Thus, they scheduled Centennial who is a legit threat to anyone any everyone including Bosco, Mater Dei, De La Salle and the mighty mighty Folsom Bulldogs.
Folsom will need help. Why? Because Pitt has a De La Salle and Centennial on their schedule while Folsom only has De La Salle. I don't care if Folsom beats De La Salle 35-0 while Pitt squeaks by a team in their own back yard. If Pitt beats Centennial and they challenge for that open Division bid then Pittsburg should get the bid. Yeah, Folsom is going at the head of the snake but Pitt is trying to devour the entire thing.
THIS SAID....
None of this will matter when it's said and done. De La Salle is going to make a statement real quick. I call a running clock against both.
IF by some miracle Folsom went undefeated this year they would have beaten
#3 De La Salle
#6 Jesuit - Carmichael
#9 Del Oro
#11 Oak Ridge
#13 Granite Bay
Plus SoCal #12 Chaminade
Bubble Team Antelope
IF by some miracle Pittsburg went undefeated thus year they would have beaten
#3 De La Salle
#4 Liberty
#5 Serra - San Mateo
#16 St. Mary's - Stockton
Plus SoCal #3 Centennial - Corona
Bubble Team Antioch and a potential snub in Clayton Valley Charter
Folsom will benefit from playing a tough league schedule but in my eyes kind of picked and chose it's way around it's non-league schedule. They did a very wise thing by taking on the head of the snake in De La Salle. If they beat them and run the table it should be over.
HOWEVER, Pitt one upped them. Their non-league schedule is not as tough as Folsom so they scheduled a monster of a preseason with Clayton Valley, St. Mary's, Serra and Centennial; all teams who have been in a state championship game over the last 2 years. Unlike Folsom, they don't really need to schedule De La Salle as they have a high probability of running into them in the playoffs. Thus, they scheduled Centennial who is a legit threat to anyone any everyone including Bosco, Mater Dei, De La Salle and the mighty mighty Folsom Bulldogs.
Folsom will need help. Why? Because Pitt has a De La Salle and Centennial on their schedule while Folsom only has De La Salle. I don't care if Folsom beats De La Salle 35-0 while Pitt squeaks by a team in their own back yard. If Pitt beats Centennial and they challenge for that open Division bid then Pittsburg should get the bid. Yeah, Folsom is going at the head of the snake but Pitt is trying to devour the entire thing.
THIS SAID....
None of this will matter when it's said and done. De La Salle is going to make a statement real quick. I call a running clock against both.
Gonna be an interesting season, to be sure.
To start with, DLS scrimmages at Pitt this Friday night. Yeah, yeah, it's a scrimmage, but don't think the kids on the field won't take it just about as serious as a playoff game... Coaches will be much more likely to be as vanilla as they can (can DLS GET more vanilla?) Of course, it otherwise has no bearing on rankings or anything, but fans of both teams will have their jaws flapping about it all season no matter what happens.
Looks like due to some arcane rule, the above scrimmage isn't going to happen after all.
I can't think of any way that next week's DLS Folsom game won't be a close game. Folsom may be the slightly better team, but on DLS's home turf it's much closer to a "pick'em" type game that it is any sort of blowout. (I might actually GO to this game; would be my first in two or three years...)
My guess is the winner of the DLS-Folsom game eventually faces Pitt in the NorCal title game... For the right to get boat-raced by John Bosco in the State Bowl.
To start with, DLS scrimmages at Pitt this Friday night. Yeah, yeah, it's a scrimmage, but don't think the kids on the field won't take it just about as serious as a playoff game... Coaches will be much more likely to be as vanilla as they can (can DLS GET more vanilla?) Of course, it otherwise has no bearing on rankings or anything, but fans of both teams will have their jaws flapping about it all season no matter what happens.
Looks like due to some arcane rule, the above scrimmage isn't going to happen after all.
I can't think of any way that next week's DLS Folsom game won't be a close game. Folsom may be the slightly better team, but on DLS's home turf it's much closer to a "pick'em" type game that it is any sort of blowout. (I might actually GO to this game; would be my first in two or three years...)
My guess is the winner of the DLS-Folsom game eventually faces Pitt in the NorCal title game... For the right to get boat-raced by John Bosco in the State Bowl.
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It was mentioned earlier that the NorCal Open title game is still not happening this season (“Folsom Rule”). Whoever is chosen as the Open team will not have to play anyone else in the regional final before taking on the SoCal Open team. Also, Pitt will likely be facing DLS in the NCS Open championship game, which will put the loser of that game out of the state Open equation.
DLS is hosting the scrimmage. 7pm. Jesuit and Whitney are in, Pitt is out. DLS looking for a fourth.
I love the what if games, but this has gotten in depth of who can go undefeated/what resume is better against two supposedly good schedules without knowing how their opponents turn out. Fun banter I guess
In terms of new blood, that will come when someone beats them (could be August 17. could be another date). The veer is boring argument is asinine. Like saying a spread is basketball on turf. Doesn't really matter if the results are there.
Also, nobody up here was beating Bosco 16 and Mater Dei 17. The veer worked fine when non super teams were coming out of the south.
In terms of new blood, that will come when someone beats them (could be August 17. could be another date). The veer is boring argument is asinine. Like saying a spread is basketball on turf. Doesn't really matter if the results are there.
Also, nobody up here was beating Bosco 16 and Mater Dei 17. The veer worked fine when non super teams were coming out of the south.
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