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I guess it's possible for Pitt-Serra as the first game of the year. Big learning curve and give the nod to the QB that will make plays when things break down.Early predictions for Pitt against Serra and Folsom?
Mine-
Pitt- 56 Serra- 31
Pitt- 38 Folsom- 52
That predicted Serra score seems reasonable (either way). The Padres' defense does not appear to be as loaded as the offense. A high-scoring affair is very likely.I got those games flip flopped and much closer
Serra beats Pitt 35-28
Pitt beats Folsom 42-35
Great points.Can’t argue with the above. Until we see it on the field the rest is just hype from one school with higher recruited players. It’s simple. Control line, control ball, control clock. DLS Is master of this
I think when looking at the 2014 Folsom team, obvious they were very good, but to say they could beat a DLS team that year who had rolled them by 30-40 points the previous two years in a row seems like a stretch.
Also, to say the 2014 Folsom team could beat today's MD and SJB is quite honestly ludicrous. Todays SJB and MD beat 2014 Folsom by what, 50 points? We have to realize just how loaded SJB and MD are.
Said it the last time they played……will say it once more. Folsom is about to take a fat L at the hands of De La Salle. Come at me with all your theories about their fire power and what not. I’ve heard it about the Ngata brothers (their un-recruited cousin, Brandon Aiyuk, is showing to be better than any of them by the way), Elijah Badger and Kaiden Bennett. Hell, I heard the same about Browning and Jonah Williams’ team.
De La Salle will run the same 3-5 plays they always run on offense. Folsom will have a hard time stopping them and DLS will win the game.
My take on you posted scores:Serra 49-21 Pitt
Folsom 56-21 Pitt
DLS 21-14 Folsom
Are you saying that out of those four teams, Pittsburg is a distant fourth?My take on you posted scores:
Serra is significantly better than Pitts
Folsom is significantly better than Pitts and slightly better than Serra on offense and about the same on defense as Serra.
DLS is only slightly better than Folsom and Serra
Pittsburg is not that good this year and the bell-weather score with DLS should be around a 70-7 loss assuming equal score differentials.
This is not likely in Pitts' average recent years let alone this year.
No - I believe Pitts will land #2 or #3 or a very close #4 in a tight race of the top 4.Are you saying that out of those four teams, Pittsburg is a distant fourth?
Ok, I see the logic now lol.No - I believe Pitts will land #2 or #3 or a very close #4 in a tight race of the top 4.
My post was simply a hyperbole response to Scoop and Score's post.
So you want it both ways. If DLS wins, then it's not Folsom's best team. If Folsom wins, then it's not a down year for DLS.LOL........That was my original thinking too but I also believe Folsom needs to get their bearings as well. Look at this year, we didn’t know how good they were until about half way thru a shortened season...2014 was the only year where they were unstoppable from game one...
also to the comment on folsom not being better until they beat dls sjb or md...on one hand that is true but i think you can still infer that 2010 and 2014 they were at least as good as dls...in 2014 you had folks who said they saw dls, bishop gorman and Folsom play and that folsom had the better defense ...and they had that otherworldly offense that only didn’t set the National record for points because 1st team offense spent a quarter and half on the sidelines because of running clock...and the famous coach from cathedral catholic said it was the hands down the best team he had seen in 25 years of coaching...with all that in mind, yes Folsom needs to beat DLS to finally get the monkey off its back...but two things: if folsom does win dont go saying it is a down year for dls and that is why they won and then second, if they do win, it doesn’t mean that this is the best folsom team because i think the 2014 and to some level 2010 team are historically great teams
This wasn't my takeaway from watching the game. Haven't seen DLS yet, but I think they are the best team as per usual. For Folsom, they have an experienced QB who is comfortable in the system and firepower on the outside. I thought they had some size and physicality on their defense that I don't usually see from Folsom. OL was good too and it was against a Monterey Trail team that has good size.Watching Folsom Vs Monterey Trail and it's only solidified my position. Folsom does not have the line play on either side of the ball to compete with DLS. They look sloppy, slow and out of shape. There is no chance they beat DLS and I'm a Folsom fan
If the defense can play with the intensity they seemed to play with yesterday and can carry that thru to DLS and the OL plays even better as time goes along then i think folsom has a stronger chance to beat DLS than they did even in 2018 when they lost by 14-0 on a very close game...it will be interesting to see if this team begins to mirror more of the 2010 and 2014 versions than 2017 and 2018This wasn't my takeaway from watching the game. Haven't seen DLS yet, but I think they are the best team as per usual. For Folsom, they have an experienced QB who is comfortable in the system and firepower on the outside. I thought they had some size and physicality on their defense that I don't usually see from Folsom. OL was good too and it was against a Monterey Trail team that has good size.
Big storyline to watch is whether this game is the high water mark for Folsom or a starting point.
So you want it both ways. If DLS wins, then it's not Folsom's best team. If Folsom wins, then it's not a down year for DLS.LOL........
Really good take. I haven’t seen it summed up this way but it makes total sense.My take is this. DLS hasn't faced Folsom's best team. Or even their 2nd best. But they've still beaten some of Folsom's top teams, 2018 being one. Even their 2019 team was pretty darn good.
Conversely Folsom has never faced one of DLS's top teams. Not even a top 5 team.
If and when Folsom (or any other NorCal team) beats DLS it will be with one of their better teams and in a season when the Spartans are down a tad. That's most typically when they lose.
We have a better idea about Folsom now. Nevertheless, 90% of a DLS/Folsom game result depends on what DLS has this year. It seems DLS' average can compete with Folsom's good. Is this year we will see a below average DLS squad? Several points such as reloading levels and assistant coach changes suggest this could be a down year for them. We shall see soon! And as every time before, I am looking forward to the Folsom / DLS showdown.If the defense can play with the intensity they seemed to play with yesterday and can carry that thru to DLS and the OL plays even better as time goes along then i think folsom has a stronger chance to beat DLS than they did even in 2018 when they lost by 14-0 on a very close game...it will be interesting to see if this team begins to mirror more of the 2010 and 2014 versions than 2017 and 2018
Hard to tell, I was surprised Folsom controlled the LOS so easily vs MT. Last time I saw DLS vs SM Stockton and Clayton Valley I was not impressed at all with their line play.Shocked even, you might say. Unless their line play is improved dramatically from last season, SMS could possibly pull the upset next week.Watching Folsom Vs Monterey Trail and it's only solidified my position. Folsom does not have the line play on either side of the ball to compete with DLS. They look sloppy, slow and out of shape. There is no chance they beat DLS and I'm a Folsom fan
I have been thinking the same thing about the line play for DLS and how it went down last year vs ST Mary’s and CVC…. That has been my biggest concern….Hard to tell, I was surprised Folsom controlled the LOS so easily vs MT. Last time I saw DLS vs SM Stockton and Clayton Valley I was not impressed at all with their line play.Shocked even, you might say. Unless their line play is improved dramatically from last season, SMS could possibly pull the upset next week.
That makes a lot of sense OC, thanks for the insight. I hadn't considered that at allI have been thinking the same thing about the line play for DLS and how it went down last year vs ST Mary’s and CVC…. That has been my biggest concern….
I have though, gotten so interesting perspective from friends over there at DLS and last year was a REAL STRUGGLE for the team and program all around due to the COVID situation…. It was very hard for them all “Not Playing for Something”, meaning the Bigtime games like Folsom, Not getting to play the TX Games, The NCS Championship and most of all the quest to win The Open. None of that was not on the Table for those kids that worked so hard for it to be “Their Time”…. It took an emotional toll on everyone in the program and the Sloppy play on the field reflected the lack of practice they were allowed as well as not the usual focus towards their normal goals….
They are very ready this year, there is a lot of internal excitement about what is going on and the talent they have…. I think it’s going to be a good year for them and they will show it against ST.Mary’s this week….
I just hope we don't have any COVID Setbacks and the games are all played…. DLS has a Terrific schedule this year and I can’t wait to see how it plays out!….
How can you say that Folsom of 2012, 2013 and 2018 were not as good as Folsom 2010?….My take is this. DLS hasn't faced Folsom's best team. Or even their 2nd best. But they've still beaten some of Folsom's top teams, 2018 being one. Even their 2019 team was pretty darn good.
Conversely Folsom has never faced one of DLS's top teams. Not even a top 5 team.
If and when Folsom (or any other NorCal team) beats DLS it will be with one of their better teams and in a season when the Spartans are down a tad. That's most typically when they lose.
Agreed Primo.....think Coach A and staff got their Spartans right where they want them, challenged as the under dogs. Think back to whenever The Spartans came into a season with not one, not two but 3 regular season games as the under dogs ???I have been thinking the same thing about the line play for DLS and how it went down last year vs ST Mary’s and CVC…. That has been my biggest concern….
I have though, gotten so interesting perspective from friends over there at DLS and last year was a REAL STRUGGLE for the team and program all around due to the COVID situation…. It was very hard for them all “Not Playing for Something”, meaning the Bigtime games like Folsom, Not getting to play the TX Games, The NCS Championship and most of all the quest to win The Open. None of that was on the Table for those kids that worked so hard for it to be “Their Time”…. It took an emotional toll on everyone in the program and the Sloppy play on the field reflected the lack of practice they were allowed as well as not the usual focus towards their normal goals….
They are very ready this year, there is a lot of internal excitement about what is going on and the talent they have…. I think it’s going to be a good year for them and they will show it against ST.Mary’s this week….
I just hope we don't have any COVID Setbacks and the games are all played…. DLS has a Terrific schedule this year and I can’t wait to see how it plays out!….
Exactly My Friend!!!…. I am really excited for their schedule this year and to see the team play!!!… I can’t wait for the SFA Game, and San Diego CC Games, I am going to those!!!….Agreed Primo.....think Coach A and staff got their Spartans right where they want them, challenged as the under dogs. Think back to whenever The Spartans came into a season with not one, not two but 3 regular season games as the under dogs ???
3 (three) of the teams on their nonleague schedule had a higher power rating and ranking , when this year's schedule was put together.........
back to back, no less. San Diego's Cathedral Catholic, Maryland's St Frances Academy and Folsom's Bulldogs. A big thanks to 82
LOL, the 2018 and 2019 varsity squads at Folsom were the best they have had in my opinion.How can you say that Folsom of 2012, 2013 and 2018 were not as good as Folsom 2010?….
The only Difference Between those teams, is 2012, 2013 and 2018 is that they actually had to play DLS on the field…. That is the only reason the 2012 and 2013 don’t that the lower level SBG wins the 2014 and 2018 teams had….
And the 2018 Team Benefited form the “Folsom Rule” which was in place because the 2014 Team was so worried that they were going to get Boat-raced again that they felt “It’s not Fair That The 2nd Best Team in Nor Cal has to Play DLS to go to a SBG’….. 🤣
DLS Has Beaten the Best Folsom has to Offer, the 2018 Team was a 2 Time Back To Back Lower Level Champ and their only loss in 2 years was to DLS….
Funny how you never bring that up or the Mental Edge that DLS had over Folsom in 2014….
And Remember Folsom “2nd Beat Team” you Cliam which is 2010 got their doors blown off by Grant and had Grant been at full strength in the playoffs, Folsom would not have even have a SBG in 2010….
2018 was Folsom’s Best team ever, Better QB, skill players, linemen, etc… The only Difference between 2014, 2010 and 2018 is 2018 actually had to play DLS…..
Very convenient of you to pick the 2 Folsom Teams that Didn’t have to play DLS as “The Best Ever” when the Championship Banners say Differently….🤣🤣
LOL, the 2018 and 2019 varsity squads at Folsom were the best they have had in my opinion.
I think people to skip the rational arguments in favor of why the 2014 was so much better than the prior two years...go back thru the thread and it isn’t unreasonable to assume Folsom could have beaten DLS in 2014...also, witnesses who saw Folsom, DLS and BG play all ranked the Folsom defense as the best..it was one of those unique teams and years where everything came together...no one thought TB would dominate KC this year in the SB or the 49ers would make it to the NFC championship in 2012 after a 6 and 10 record prior year...teams come together to create historically unique outcomes and in 2014 it all aligned for Folsom regardless of the so called folsom rule...mark tennis did a nice analysis on folsom at the time..early on in the season comparing folsom and dls and it acknowledged how close to really being at the same level they were...(and this was with jonah williams out with minor injury) and folsom did end up ranked #4 in the country that yearIf 2014 was Folsom's best team or maybe 2010, it seems there would have been the same result. In 2014 adding one stud transfer lineman who is now a pro did upgrade Folsom, but enough to erase a 5-7 td difference in the previous 2 DLS/Folsom games? Doubtful.
Can you Cite some Sources where “Witnesses” actually said that Folsom Defense was Better then DLS and BG??… 🤣I think people to skip the rational arguments in favor of why the 2014 was so much better than the prior two years...go back thru the thread and it isn’t unreasonable to assume Folsom could have beaten DLS in 2014...also, witnesses who saw Folsom, DLS and BG play all ranked the Folsom defense as the best..it was one of those unique teams and years where everything came together...no one thought TB would dominate KC this year in the SB or the 49ers would make it to the NFC championship in 2012 after a 6 and 10 record prior year...teams come together to create historically unique outcomes and in 2014 it all aligned for Folsom regardless of the so called folsom rule...mark tennis did a nice analysis on folsom at the time..early on in the season comparing folsom and dls and it acknowledged how close to really being at the same level they were...(and this was with jonah williams out with minor injury) and folsom did end up ranked #4 in the country that year
but enough to erase a 5-7 td difference in the previous 2 DLS/Folsom games? Doubtful.
In conclusion Folsom is undefeated against DLS except in games actually played on the football field.This argument has been defeated many times. I’m not going to outline all the reasons why yet again.
And there were more factors than just Jonah Williams.